(2018-01-21, 04:03 PM)Smithy Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent stuff, Tim! Thanks so much! Smithy
Thanks, Smithy unfortunately I have had to delete the post maybe permanently as I can't find the source (I thought I'd made a note of it but I must not have)
(2018-01-21, 09:27 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks, Smithy unfortunately I have had to delete the post maybe permanently as I can't find the source (I thought I'd made a note of it but I must not have)
As a suggestion, you can enter in large enough snippets of text from the article into a search engine, perhaps in quotes? That way, you can see what websites the have the same exact snippets of text, allowing you to eventually track down the source webpage.
[To eliminate confusion after moving this post to the commentary thread, leadville was responding to this post of tim's in the original thread --Laird]
"This occurred again as he arrived at the hospital on the helipad (when he was dead) and finally in the operating room where he was able to observe events and read the thoughts of the doctors (they were not vocalised) which he later was able to verify (apparently)"
When he appeared to be clinically dead.
(2018-01-26, 07:16 PM)leadville Wrote: [ -> ]"This occurred again as he arrived at the hospital on the helipad (when he was dead) and finally in the operating room where he was able to observe events and read the thoughts of the doctors (they were not vocalised) which he later was able to verify (apparently)"
When he appeared to be clinically dead.
Edited : He did say he was dead, Leadville. He had to be defibrillated in the OR which meant his heart had stopped. Clinically dead, really dead, very dead, does it matter as regards the state of the person's consciousness ?
(2018-01-26, 07:35 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]Edited : He did say he was dead, Leadville. He had to be defibrillated in the OR which meant his heart had stopped. Clinically dead, really dead, very dead, does it matter as regards the state of the person's consciousness ?
Dead is final - no coming back. Heart stopping doesn't equal death. As he was still around after the event, he wasn't dead. Ergo "...appeared to be clincally dead."
Consciousness disappears in both cases but returns in only one of them.
(2018-01-27, 01:19 AM)leadville Wrote: [ -> ]Dead is final - no coming back. Hear stopping doesn't equal death. As he was still around after the event, he wasn't dead. Ergo "...appeared to be clincally dead."
Consciousness disappears in both cases but returns in only one of them.
Well then ~ apparently, you can come back from death. If people report explicitly floating outside of their bodies, then their bodies must be, for all intents and purposes, truly, fully and clinically dead, no exceptions, and if they are able to report events that their dead bodies obviously cannot sense, then their consciousness does
not disappear, because it has merely detached from the dead body. Therefore, consciousness is non-physical, and survives death.
This post says a profound lot, in this regard:
http://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-nd...8#pid13878
Death is a process, it is not a black and white moment.
The entire focus on whether or not someone is "really" dead totally and completely misses the point, and ignores a number of important components of NDEs.
(2018-01-27, 05:41 AM)Dante Wrote: [ -> ]The entire focus on whether or not someone is "really" dead totally and completely misses the point, and ignores a number of important components of NDEs.
Indeed ~ I find the OBE aspect of NDEs to be most fascinating.
I wonder what it would be like if someone just having an ordinary OBE ran into someone who was having the NDE type of OBE. Would make for an interesting conversation.
