Me:
Karmarling:
It's necessary to remind you when the present skeptiko forum was set up shortly there after 7 members were banned from posting on all forums save two. That law did relax somewhat a few years later though. However, overtime the voices of skepticism were slowly extinguished and some of the reason can be attributed to the blatant hostile reactions by skeptiko's members.
I was not implying any sort of solidarity when I used "we". Do we have more latitude here or not to express? But first consider two skeptiko sub-forums were shut down.
We have two different interpretations of what David wrote. To me it appeared as if he was wagging his finger at Chris. Something that was sort of a habit as a mod. I agree David has as much right to participate as anyone else, but what I was saying is why is he here when he has skeptiko? Also, I was implying it's none of David's business to ask why Chris chooses to post. I even wrote as much:
Alex's unilateral and your acknowledgement of his authoritarian tactics (see below) is not autocratic?
Maybe you've forgotten why this forum was started? Maybe you don't remember what your feelings were when Alex effectively turned his site into an echo chamber? I believe these two quotes fairly summarize the unspoken sentiments of many members.
A quote from you:
(This post was last modified: 2017-10-23, 10:51 PM by Steve001.)
Quote:Remember this forum is a break away solution to the autocratic like tactics you and Alex used to turn that other forum into an echo chamber. Here we have more lattitude to express ideas that are contrary. The question for you is, why are you here? Oh, remember you're not the mod here so we don't need to hear what you think is the appropriate participation.
Karmarling:
Quote:I am not a moderator so cannot claim to be speaking for the moderators but I am a founding member of this forum. I object to the implied solidarity when you use "we" in your above statement. Everyone has their own reasons for choosing to become a member here and, perhaps, abandoning Skeptiko. Some of those reasons may well have been the moderation policies in place there but that does not give you the right to assume that you speak for this community, especially with incendiary phrases such as autocratic like tactics.
As far as I am concerned, David has as much right to be here as anyone else. As usual, you chose to read into David's response precisely what you wanted to read into it. I understood David to be saying that, given the position that Chris was taking it is surprising that he wants to take part in such a discussion. I did not think he was stating that Chris should be excluded by some form of moderation policy. So your attack is misdirected and unnecessarily aggressive - in my opinion.
It's necessary to remind you when the present skeptiko forum was set up shortly there after 7 members were banned from posting on all forums save two. That law did relax somewhat a few years later though. However, overtime the voices of skepticism were slowly extinguished and some of the reason can be attributed to the blatant hostile reactions by skeptiko's members.
I was not implying any sort of solidarity when I used "we". Do we have more latitude here or not to express? But first consider two skeptiko sub-forums were shut down.
We have two different interpretations of what David wrote. To me it appeared as if he was wagging his finger at Chris. Something that was sort of a habit as a mod. I agree David has as much right to participate as anyone else, but what I was saying is why is he here when he has skeptiko? Also, I was implying it's none of David's business to ask why Chris chooses to post. I even wrote as much:
Quote:we don't need to hear what you think is the appropriate participation.Nor was I implying David thought Chris should be excluded do to forum policy
Alex's unilateral and your acknowledgement of his authoritarian tactics (see below) is not autocratic?
Maybe you've forgotten why this forum was started? Maybe you don't remember what your feelings were when Alex effectively turned his site into an echo chamber? I believe these two quotes fairly summarize the unspoken sentiments of many members.
A quote from you:
Quote:I think the mood since the latest authoritarian actions is that this ship is sinking fast and I may well be among the rats."Alex's reply to you:
Quote: "dude... you really have no idea what yr talking about. the show is growing and the response lately has been very positive. I'm always changing and evolving, but I'm getting tired of the whining and hating."manjit wrote:
Quote:"I have to be be honest, though not a "debunker" or materialist, I personally was a little concerned at Linda's "banning" several years ago. I personally think this forum only benefited from the sceptical positions & arguments she took (which I entirely disagreed with, btw!). Though I don't really know what caused the "banning" or the deeper context, I thought that a little worrying.....I abhor censorship of any sort, on a personal level (though I can understand how it can potentially cause issues in a wider, social context). Anyways, more recently, the banning trend seems to have got much worse, several long time and respected members banned for who knows what! Very worrying!"