Darwin Unhinged: The Bugs in Evolution

You can't doubt evolution since we see it happen. But why wouldn't we group YECs and IDers together? Both are talking about some form of intelligence intervening in evolution. Granted, some YECs may try to claim that evolution doesn't happen at all. I agree that various kinds of arguments are made by these folks, some more reasonable than others. Lumping everyone into one overarching category is wrong.

~~ Paul

Again, for the umpteenth time, you don't have to be a biblical literalist to believe that some intelligence (even of some undefined nature) helps guide evolution. YECs are, as far as I'm aware, biblical literalists. They believe in the six day creation story and even refuse to acknowledge the possibility of allegory or metaphor. You don't even need to be a theist. Intelligence or mind might exist without the need for the personal, omniscient god. 

I believe in evolution. In fact I extend evolution to include mind, whether it be individual (as in human consciousness) or universal (as in Mind At Large). MAL is evolving too but I don't understand the how of it. I don't understand, for example, how time plays a part or whether time and space are constructions to allow for a physical universe of the kind we occupy. But that is all metaphysical speculation. Design is apparent in the living world around us - even Dawkins admits that. I take the step further to believe that it is not only apparent, it is actual.

Going back to Tour, I do have difficulty understanding how a man who can be so knowledgeable about his field of science yet somehow adhere to his literalist Christian faith. I guess I have to accept that people see the world in ways that I find strange. It happens right here on this forum. David will write things I can read and agree with wholeheartedly yet, in the next sentence, talk about his support for Donald Trump which flips my impression of David instantly and I want to disagree passionately. All I can suggest is that we assess their words according to the subject under discussion. Does Tour or David make sense if we just read what they say about the subject under discussion? Or are we somehow drawn into the genetic fallacy?