(2017-12-04, 06:19 PM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: Wait a minute. We are talking about the evolution of the genetic code, not the evolution of proteins. The question is whether the genetic code could evolve by naturalistic means.
And how can you say this with a straight face when the alternate proposal is that some sort of intelligence did it, with no hypotheses about how it works and with no evidence of it? It is, right now, nothing but an inference from human design.
There is no genetic code table in the cell. The table was invented by humans to help explain what is going in with the chemistry. The periodic table is also a nice table to explain what is going on with valence electrons in atoms. What exactly is the difference? I'm willing to listen to a difference, but so far everyone is just accusing me of being an uncooperative curmudgeon.
~~ Paul
The evolution of a protein is a physical transformation. You would measure the transformation in terms of changes to the elements, changes to the folding and changes in active bonding sites.
The evolution of a code is not a physical thing. It is an informational thingy. You would measure the transformation in terms of changes to the symbolic structures, to the sequence of activity, to the logic of the functionality being encoded and in changes to new potential molecules that would attach or be repulsed.
In my worldview both the information structured by the periodic table and a table mapping bio-semiotic information are information objects that can be actualized by a physical pattern and sequence of development.
One has been expertly constructed to match atomic properties and particle interaction states. The mentality that did the information processing was from the natural capability of living things.
The code was constructed on bio-feedback from trial and error and is structured by successful adaptation. A limited mentality that did the information processing was from the natural capability of living things.
The periodic table is an add-on. DNA/RNA/Ribosome communication tables are inclusive in the organism. Other than that the are similar. Paul you are still looking for the magic, when mind and sense of self - (human or any other living thing) are natural things. Living things are intelligent and have designed themselves.