NDE's

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(2024-01-29, 02:04 PM)Valmar Wrote: The latest rhetoric I'm seeing from the Physicalist pseudo-skeptics is that despite cardiac arrest and cessation of breathing, brain activity still supposedly occurs for minutes afterwards, so they can then claim that it's not really death, and therefore NDEs are just brain activity. It's even as nebulous as some differentiating between clinical death, and biological death, to claim that NDEs happen while the person is still alive, because they're not biologically dead!

Some serious mental gymnastics going on there. It's tiring, because they just keep repeating this claim without any evidence, and ignore the fact the consciousness completely ceases with cardiac arrests, and any that random chaos happening to the dying cells in the brain is completely meaningless, and completely contradicts the clear, lucid experiences that the NDEr has.

Brain activity actually ceases (according to one neuroscientist I saw commenting on NDE's--he wasn't a dualist BTW) even before the heart has stopped, when the heart has slowed down to about thirty beats a minute. To claim the brain is still organised and able to construct highly lucid experience, with cognition and memory formation, when blood flow has ceased for three minutes is just science fiction. 

It cannot possibly be so and one doesn't need to be a neuroscientist to deduce that. Nothing that requires energy to work can continue working without energy for very long, let alone something as complex as the brain, the organ with by far the greatest need for fuel (20% of the oxygen and glucose I believe). 

Of course, Parnia has put the cat amongst the pigeons by offering the spikes (he claims he's discovered late into cardiac arrest) as a mechanism for how dead patients can have experience. He doesn't actually believe that the spikes are responsible and no one else does either, because that's BS too, but he was trying to remain rigidly scientific in the absence of a target hit. It hasn't worked and anyway, he's still a dualist.
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NDE's - by tim - 2017-09-02, 05:32 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-09-26, 01:47 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-10-03, 04:57 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-10-24, 06:44 PM
RE: NDE's - by Stan Woolley - 2017-11-14, 02:58 PM
RE: NDE's - by Stan Woolley - 2017-11-18, 10:37 AM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-11-22, 04:18 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-11-27, 06:32 PM
RE: NDE's - by Kamarling - 2017-11-27, 10:20 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-11-30, 04:16 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-12-07, 06:02 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-12-14, 07:07 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-12-18, 05:11 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-12-24, 06:33 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-12-26, 08:59 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-12-28, 03:07 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-12-28, 07:23 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-12-29, 05:12 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2017-12-31, 03:37 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-03, 05:53 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-05, 07:37 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-06, 04:21 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-10, 07:19 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-15, 02:56 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-15, 03:02 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-15, 04:15 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-15, 06:52 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-15, 06:56 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-18, 08:05 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-20, 05:25 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-21, 03:24 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-21, 06:55 PM
RE: NDE's - by Enrique Vargas - 2018-01-23, 10:34 AM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-23, 01:48 PM
RE: NDE's - by Valmar - 2018-01-26, 10:48 AM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-26, 07:01 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-01-28, 09:51 PM
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RE: NDE's - by tim - 2020-02-06, 02:32 PM
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RE: NDE's - by tim - 2024-01-25, 07:25 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2024-01-27, 06:56 PM
RE: NDE's - by Valmar - 2024-01-29, 02:04 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2024-01-29, 04:54 PM
RE: NDE's - by David001 - 2024-02-03, 08:15 PM
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RE: NDE's - by nbtruthman - 2024-02-06, 03:58 PM
RE: NDE's - by tim - 2018-03-19, 07:17 PM
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