UFO crash retrieval appears to be absolutely real

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Good interview. He says his sources tell him Canada is part of those involved in the secret reverse engineering program.

He references this letter recently from an MP as well.
Manitoba MP suggests Canada, allies aware of 'recovered UAP' or UFO materials in note to defence minister

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This just showed up on my youtube feed:



Acclaimed journalist, Ross Coulthart, investigates the UFO phenomenon and talks about the inside story of the David Grusch testimonials.

TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:45 "There's a truth about all of this"
00:04:31 Inside story of David Grusch (actual "evidence" is coming, not just testimonial)
00:15:27 They've been with us for "thousands" of years
00:24:11 Mainstream media's abject failure to cover UAPs
00:33:33 The Gillibrand legislation is momentously significant
00:40:02 The gov't has given craft to private industry
01:09:30 The Gang of Eight
01:18:14 How the gov't tells the media what to say (even Hollywood)
01:21:51 Found metals spheres that move on their own (collecting evidence from them)
01:28:22 "The Legacy Program" and the Vatican's involvement (they gave craft over to US?)
01:48:27 Reverse engineering and operating craft (which has been done?)
01:56:00 We're close to annihilation as a species
02:01:25 The untold story of "Curveball"
02:15:12 The reason behind the secrecy? The screwup by the US gov't of "divesting"
02:19:22 Alien bodies, Grusch's claims, and where they are
02:23:23 Steven Greer, and what's been "leaked"
02:29:15 Ross is under surveillance (any intimidation?)
02:30:20 Adam & Eve, and what's happening in 2029 (Leslie Kean's and John Ramirez's comments)
02:34:32 The full unedited 3.5 hour interview with David Grusch
02:38:25 Curt comments on Grusch's physics claims (quiddities)
02:44:14 Ross on Indian UAPs

Interesting bit starting at 1 hour 37 minutes, where he's asked about worldwide collaboration on the recovery programs. He discusses the case of Canada, Australia and the UK. (He says the UK knows more than the commonwealth. ). Apparently there have been UAP retrievals in the UK "even in the last few years" (fully functioning technologies recovered with no visible damage.)

Interesting bit starting at 1 hour 37 minutes, where he's asked about worldwide collaboration on the recovery programs. He discusses the case of Canada, Australia and the UK. (He says the UK knows more than the commonwealth. ). Apparently there have been UAP retrievals in the UK "even in the last few years" (fully functioning technologies recovered with no visible damage.)

I kind of imagined there would be a glut of drama selling videos online rather than informed, intelligent news.  It is Youtube after all.

My goodness, it's just classic regurgitated conspiracy theory nonsense!  Are we all not tired of this junk yet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grus...wer_claims

He has claimed to have viewed documents reporting that Benito Mussolini's government recovered a "non-human" spacecraft which the Vatican and Five Eyes assisted the U.S. in procuring. Grusch asserts the individuals with whom he conversed shared the concern that American citizens have been killed as part of the government’s efforts to cover-up the information.

Adam Frank, a professor of astrophysics at the University of Rochester, published a critique of the Grusch claims on June 22 with Big Think. Frank writes that he does "not find these claims exciting at all" because they are all "just hearsay" where "a guy says he knows a guy who knows another guy who heard from a guy that the government has alien spaceships"

"Eghigian is also skeptical about the veracity of these claims because it looks like Grusch followed Pentagon protocol in publishing this information, meaning that the Department of Defence approved the information he would pass on to the press, which is something the department only does if the information is not classified. If Grusch is telling the truth, surely this information would be classified, Eghigian says, and the department would not have allowed him to go on the record."

Andrew Prokop, a political news correspondent with Vox, wrote on June 10 that "skeptics question whether Grusch is just repeating tall tales that have long circulated through the UFO-believing community, suggesting he may be just a gullible sap (if not an outright fabulist). They also point out that mainstream media sources have so far remained wary of Grusch – The New York Times, Washington Post, and Politico were all offered his story but none thought it was publishable. The Debrief, which published it, is a notably UFO-friendly outlet, as are Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, the two journalists who wrote the story.

Dani Di Placido, writing for Forbes on June 13, concluded that "Grusch has provided no evidence for his claims, which are suspiciously close to common science fiction tropes, and should be recognized as such". Because "this conspiracy trope is rooted in science fiction, and is weakened by Grusch's own position", Di Placido said, "Grusch's claims of a vast, insidious cover-up, so secret that others have been murdered to protect it, is undermined by the fact he has been given a platform to broadcast these claims"

I make no apology for using Wiki as the information is researchable and links are provided.  I consider that a little more trustworthy than excitement inducing Youtube videos.

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Your posts are becoming predictable and really boring Brian. Is that all you do here now throwing mud using Wiki claims and references I'm sure you don't investigate yourself, and vague, meaningless retorts?

You give the appearance of not even delving into the material offered but just follow your gut reaction (mediumship? has to be bunk. UFOs? more New Age conspiracy lunacy.) If you're not genuinely interested in these topics and that's all you offer, please stick to the sections of the forum that are outside of the Extended Consciousness Phenomena.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023...e-is-proof

But Grusch’s whistleblowing claims have grown more dramatic after he has emerged into the public eye and are now facing growing skepticism. After initially telling the Debrief website the government had possession of “intact and partially intact” alien vehicles, he has gone on to suggest the US has also encountered “malevolent” alien pilots.

Experts in UFO lore have suggested his assertions should be taken with a grain of salt, questioned the veracity of his claims and demanded proof.

“He has not presented anything like the evidence that we would expect to believe something as extraordinary as this,” said Garrett Graff, a journalist and historian whose upcoming book UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government’s Search for Alien Life Here – and Out There will be published in October.

“There’s no firsthand knowledge. He didn’t see these things himself. He didn’t touch them. He wasn’t part of the operation to retrieve them and we haven’t heard from anyone who was.”

I hate to be a downer, but there is nothing here but assertions from government spooks. Spooks lie as a matter of course. They plant disinformation. They've been wreaking havoc in this way in the UFO "community" from the outset. Crashed UFO tales are the least credible stories you could ask for given their history in UFOlogy. Every single time they disintegrate under scrutiny. And it's basically the same narrative every time. Grusch is telling us Mussolini captured a UFO. This is an old yarn that was obliterated long ago. It originated the same way the MJ-12 hoax did, through some anonymous mailing. Whenever I see anything about an intel asset "disclosing" UFO information, I shake my head. I'm convinced that UFOs are real. But you aren't getting the answers from a bunch of spook assholes, sorry.

Some reports about the ongoing Congressional UAP crash retrieval hearings. 

It should be noted that the bottom line is that still, neither Congress or anybody else have to date been shown any of the alleged physical artifacts or even just authenticated photos of the alleged UAP debris and whole crashed saucers.

There was testimony under oath from former military-intelligence officer David Grusch, who went public with his account just last month. Grusch told the House oversight subcommittee on national security that the American government has spent decades secretly recovering mysterious vehicles that have crashed on the ground, and has determined the material to be of “non-human” origin. The government also attempted to reverse engineer some of the technology, according to Grusch. And it’s doing all of this clandestinely, without proper supervision by Congress.

Later in the hearing, Grusch expanded on his previous claims in response to lawmakers’ questions. If elected officials had never heard about this effort before, how did it get any funding? Answer: The military pilfered money that had been allocated for its other programs. A defense official recently testified that the U.S. military hasn’t found any evidence of extraterrestrial activity on Earth; is that statement correct? Answer: It’s not accurate. Has any of the activity been aggressive or hostile? Answer: My colleagues have gotten physically injured. By UFOs, or by people within the government? Answer: by Both.

Other snippets from the hearings:

Grusch apparently testified under oath, that the UFO artifacts have been turned over to private contractors for study and reverse engineering. The particular contractor mentioned was Lockheed Martin. On enquiry Lockheed Martin then deferred to the government (DOD) for response. 

Ross Coulthart commented, "Why on earth should @DeptofDefense have to answer for @LockheedMartin on whether this @SECGov listed corporate aerospace contractor is secretly holding retrieved non-human technology? And what should @LockheedMartin shareholders think?"

This gives the impression that LM has something important, has to follow DOD instructions to keep it above top secret, and is now in a bind. That probably is why they passed the buck to DOD.

On satellite imagery of UAPs: Christopher Mellon said that the AARO (All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office) has not shared satellite imagery of UAP with Congress, and that that is itself evidence of an effort to keep Congress in the dark.

I get that this sworn testimony before Congress by credible individuals that crashed alien vehicles and even alien bodies have been secretly retrieved and are undergoing continued study and reverse engineering attempts by defense contractors like Lockheed-Martin, and that this has been going on for years, is old news and the public is getting used to it especially in the total absence of physical or photographic evidence. 

And still, UFO news has a stigma attached to it. But still, to me there is something strange and suspicious about the considerable quietness of the news agencies and media about it. CNN and Fox and NBC, ABC, AP, etc. are not featuring this news.  The TV news media and even the New York Times seem to be deliberately downplaying this topic. It may be a little paranoia, but this seems to be absurd, that stuff like Lebron James's son having cardiac arrest, and a dad who's kids died in a hot car, and some naked person harassing people at his apartment complex, are put at the fore in the media, with little or no coverage of the potentially Earth-shattering UAP crash retrieval hearings. 

It almost looks to me like government manipulation of the news media to draw public attention away from this potentially explosive subject.  I think this strange news dissemination phenomenon is borderline suspected government censorship, presumably justified by the all-inclusive "vital for national security" label.