The science and philosophical implications of bioelectric fields

I added time stamps to the Talk in the OP, not sure if Essentia added it later or I just had a glitch in my own Matrix heh and forgot to post it...Apologies!

@Laird : Tried to jump around and find the timestamp regarding Levin speaking about the egg, but didn't find it.

However this *might* clarify things ->

[Laird]

However this *might* clarify things ->

Kinda-sorta but not really.

In different places he refers to "bioelectric pattern memory" and "bioelectric code". Another way of asking my question then is: we know where "genetic code" is stored (in DNA), but where is "bioelectric code" stored? At 5:09 Michael says that "these are literally held in the electrical circuits across large tissues", but of course this presupposes large tissues, which are obviously not present at the start in a fertilised egg.

I'm thinking, then, that your comment at the start of post #2 in this thread might be very meaningful:

the relation to Sheldrake's work on Morphic Fields is rather obvious

Could it be that Michael's discovery, this "bioelectric code", is in fact stored in what Rupert refers to as a morphogenetic field and transmitted via what he refers to as morphic resonance?:

How are these fields inherited? I propose that that they are transmitted from past members of the species through a kind of non-local resonance, called morphic resonance.

Could it be that Michael would agree with the need for "non-local resonance" given that he doesn't seem to supply any other "location" in which the bioelectric code is stored right at the start of foetal development, as we have for the genetic code via DNA?

Kinda-sorta but not really.

In different places he refers to "bioelectric pattern memory" and "bioelectric code". Another way of asking my question then is: we know where "genetic code" is stored (in DNA), but where is "bioelectric code" stored? At 5:09 Michael says that "these are literally held in the electrical circuits across large tissues", but of course this presupposes large tissues, which are obviously not present at the start in a fertilised egg.

I'm thinking, then, that your comment at the start of post #2 in this thread might be very meaningful:


Could it be that Michael's discovery, this "bioelectric code", is in fact stored in what Rupert refers to as a morphogenetic field and transmitted via what he refers to as morphic resonance?:


Could it be that Michael would agree with the need for "non-local resonance" given that he doesn't seem to supply any other "location" in which the bioelectric code is stored right at the start of foetal development, as we have for the genetic code via DNA?

Hmm I honestly don't know. He does mention in a few places that he believes in some kind of Platonism, and that evolution is trying to utilize pointers to the Platonic Space.

Perhaps he believe that the field draws upon the Platonic Space to orient itself, and then this in turn allows for top down causation?

[Laird]

Perhaps he believe that the field draws upon the Platonic Space to orient itself, and then this in turn allows for top down causation?

Perhaps, but that's only a partial explanation: what ties the organism (and in particular the initial fertilised cell) to a particular "Platonic form" by which it orients itself?

[Laird]

I should add that your suggestion is perhaps anyway compatible with Rupert's paradigm too - they're perhaps simply two different ways of framing or conceptualising roughly the same idea.

[Laird]

Hmm I honestly don't know.

Based on one of the videos you shared in another thread, Rupert Sheldrake doesn't think Michael knows either.

Based on one of the videos you shared in another thread, Rupert Sheldrake doesn't think Michael knows either.

Yeah I'd personally lean toward Sheldrake, but Levin is definitely closer to mainstream academia.

I think ultimately it will come down to some STEM academics who are at least open to non-materialist ideas like Platonism to enact change across time.