New developments on the UAP disclosure battle

More important new developments coming to light as this matter evolves. For those few here interested or concerned over this I feel important topic:

It looks like the House and Senate conflict over clandestine UAP/UFO project disclosure legislation is coming to a head, with the winner by no means predetermined.

There is now an excellent detailed political analysis piece on the turmoil and infighting over this proposed legislation, clearly showing a very large amount of smoke and consequently clearly indicating a lot of fire. Why else such infighting over an obscure bill?

Washington politics is generally far from a topic covered in Psiencequest, but in this particular case it is important as greatly affecting one of the more important issues involving one type of anomalous and possibly paranormal phenomena.

From Liberation Times, Nov. 24 2023  https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/bla...egislation

I do wonder if those UFO's are somehow suppressing our capacity to wage nuclear war. A lot of UFO sightings have been near to military areas (though obviously that could be explained in a more prosaic way).

It is amazing that NATO and Russia are fighting a vicious war, and yet nearly two years in, a nuclear weapon has not been fired.

If the UFO's are performing that role there will be lots of people who are desperate to stop the facts becoming public.

This might also explain the oddly ambiguous nature of their appearances.

I think there is precious little evidence that they are malevolent.

David

It is amazing that NATO and Russia are fighting a vicious war, and yet nearly two years in, a nuclear weapon has not been fired.

Is it amazing?  After all haven't seen nuclear weapons used in war for, what, almost 80 years?

Is it amazing?  After all haven't seen nuclear weapons used in war for, what, almost 80 years?

I also think a more mundane explanation is that "a nuclear can't be won and must never be fought".

It is amazing that NATO and Russia are fighting a vicious war,

Nope. Russia is conducting a genocidal invasion.

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I’ve done a 180.

I think it’s all crap. This “disclosure” is a distraction, a sleight of the hand. This twat Matt Ford was tweeting all about “buckling up” and getting ready for something massive. The result? A crappy article in the daily mail quoting second hand anonymous sources.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...owers.html


Look at Issac Koi’s great work on compiling the sheer number of times that disclosure was just around the corner, from the 1950’s and onward. The same old statements and proclamations and “sources”.

 https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1264719/pg1

There is something. But it’s probably not for human benefit.

OK. If this is all hogwash, why are they going this far to discredit and block legislation? Why would it matter to them? Please answer that question.

In the more than 30 years this program or programs has apparently existed, have the specific things that are happening this year ever happened? The answer is no, not even close. This is different. The anti-disclosure group have engaged in outright disinformation campaigns, slandered whistleblowers, continued lying, fought legislation, blocked SCIFs, and tried to politically replace pro disclosure representatives. They quite evidently are very afraid of disclosure.

They’re apparently so afraid of losing their power and influence that they’re spending a lot  of money, and paying off politicians to keep the long-term project secret. They could care less about the fact that we’re not alone in the universe or that we’re being visited by interstellar civilizations, they just want to make sure that whatever they uncover stays hidden so they can maintain their wealth and power. And also so that they can escape any retribution for the illegalities and unconstitutionalities that have been involved. Regardless of how many people it could perhaps help.

When you think about it we've got a small group of people that just might very well severely piss off a species that has far larger cannons than we do. And there doesn't seem to be much, if any, overall supervision over this entire thing.

Of course, as I have previously explained, it actually is extremely unlikely that any of these reverse engineering efforts on alien super-high technology artifacts from crashed UAPs have ever come to fruition and discovered a new and revolutionary technology with no preceding many years of development effort by plodding human beings (the way it has always normally happened). I found another excellent and related argument for this, paraphrased here in the following, from a blog:

"A few years ago, one of the most powerful supercomputers in the world simulated one second of human brain activity. It took almost 100,000 processors over 90 minutes to perform this simulation, and likely required tremendous amounts of energy - just to simulate one second of something I can do all day using the energy I derive from eating a sandwich. The point I'm trying to make is that we have had access to highly advanced non-human technology for centuries - biology. Yet despite literally centuries of brilliant minds attempting to study and reverse engineer it, we don't know how it started, don't know a whole lot about how it works, and have yet to create even the most basic example of a biological entity from scratch. I can't imagine that in just a few decades a small handful of scientists completely sequestered from the rest of academia could make much progress reverse engineering technology from a craft thousands to millions of years advanced over our primitive systems. So advanced that it (or a "mother ship") can perform interstellar travel, not to mention all the feats described by observers - gravity manipulation, incredible acceleration without a sonic boom, traveling through water at incredible speed - and built by a civilization that evolved in a completely different biosphere. Biology at least complies with the known laws of physics, and even so we're nowhere near the technological capacity to create even an artificial liver, let alone a functional brain. If we have alien craft with the sort of physics-defying capabilities reported by observations, I simply can't imagine that we are anywhere close to making meaningful use of it, even with the keys left in the ignition. We're just not smart enough yet."

I might point out that the recent UK Daily Mail article on all this that you cited purports to reveal a few details (such as the claimed number of mostly intact UAPs and UAP debris sites that have been successfully recovered over the years, and the name of the organization within the CIA that has masterminded the efforts). Since (as you point out) the various sources are anonymous and are naturally not revealed, this detracts from credibility, and the article must be taken with at least a grain of salt. But it still is food for thought. Too lengthy to go much into here.

OK. If this is all hogwash, why are they going this far to discredit and block legislation? Why would it matter to them? Please answer that question.

In the more than 30 years this program or programs has apparently existed, have the specific things that are happening this year ever happened? The answer is no, not even close. This is different. The anti-disclosure group have engaged in outright disinformation campaigns, slandered whistleblowers, continued lying, fought legislation, blocked SCIFs, and tried to politically replace pro disclosure representatives. They quite evidently are very afraid of disclosure.

They’re apparently so afraid of losing their power and influence that they’re spending a lot  of money, and paying off politicians to keep the long-term project secret. They could care less about the fact that we’re not alone in the universe or that we’re being visited by interstellar civilizations, they just want to make sure that whatever they uncover stays hidden so they can maintain their wealth and power. And also so that they can escape any retribution for the illegalities and unconstitutionalities that have been involved. Regardless of how many people it could perhaps help.

When you think about it we've got a small group of people that just might very well severely piss off a species that has far larger cannons than we do. And there doesn't seem to be much, if any, overall supervision over this entire thing.

Of course, as I have previously explained, it actually is extremely unlikely that any of these reverse engineering efforts on alien super-high technology artifacts from crashed UAPs have ever come to fruition and discovered a new and revolutionary technology with no preceding many years of development effort by plodding human beings (the way it has always normally happened). I found another excellent and related argument for this, paraphrased here in the following, from a blog:



I might point out that the recent UK Daily Mail article on all this that you cited purports to reveal a few details (such as the claimed number of mostly intact UAPs and UAP debris sites that have been successfully recovered over the years, and the name of the organization within the CIA that has masterminded the efforts). Since (as you point out) the various sources are anonymous and are naturally not revealed, this detracts from credibility, and the article must be taken with at least a grain of salt. But it still is food for thought. Too lengthy to go much into here.

My gut tells me I’m being manipulated and lied to. Plus I’m British and we don’t like overly sensationalist proclamations that time after time turn out to be nothing more than some twat furthering their own career. 
 
There are far too many grifter ufologists and news people who have a vested interest in “trust me bro” style carrot dangling and this latest one with the Daily Mail just pissed me off. 

Anonymous sources are worth Jack because it has been abused so much by these people. 

We need to see bodies, vehicles, first hand whistleblowers. And then we can all make up our own minds on the alien agenda, and what it is (I think it’s mainly negative).

We need to see bodies, vehicles, first hand whistleblowers. And then we can all make up our own minds on the alien agenda, and what it is (I think it’s mainly negative).

Curious if you could expand on why you think the alien agenda is negative?

Admittedly I don't think there is a clear agenda because I don't think these entities are a unified grouping. Some I would guess aren't even biological...

Curious if you could expand on why you think the alien agenda is negative?

Admittedly I don't think there is a clear agenda because I don't think these entities are a unified grouping. Some I would guess aren't even biological...

Sure Sciborg.


I think it’s much a case of “as above as below” as anything really. 

They also don’t show themselves in a manner which leaves no room for doubt, apparently engage in deceptive perception management, allegedly abduct people and mutilate cattle. If some of them are the ancient gods, then that is even worse, as they presume to be “above” us. And if they have genetically intervened with us, then they are also responsible in some way for the human condition. 

I would agree with you that there isn’t a unified group. I don’t believe that at the moment. However, even the “good guys” are MIA, or at least you cannot differentiate them from the bad guys, purely because there is clearly obsfucation at every single possible juncture. We cannot verifiably tell who is who or what is what and that makes me very suspicious and distrusting.

My gut tells me I’m being manipulated and lied to. Plus I’m British and we don’t like overly sensationalist proclamations that time after time turn out to be nothing more than some twat furthering their own career. 
 
There are far too many grifter ufologists and news people who have a vested interest in “trust me bro” style carrot dangling and this latest one with the Daily Mail just pissed me off. 

Anonymous sources are worth Jack because it has been abused so much by these people. 

We need to see bodies, vehicles, first hand whistleblowers. And then we can all make up our own minds on the alien agenda, and what it is (I think it’s mainly negative).

You still haven't answered my question, which was: if this is all hogwash, why are they (elements within DOD intelligence, both houses of Congress and within defense contractors) going this far to discredit and block legislation specifically targeting purported black projects engaged in UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering? Why would it matter to them? Why would they bother to go to the trouble?

If it is all lies, then it seems that there still has to be something very secret and very important to some people who want very much to keep hidden, to completely cover up. Something presumably even more consequential and crucial and perhaps disastrous than NHIs and UFO vehicle technology. Just the purpose of deluding a small population of UFO believers and wannabe believers won't do. 

Any ideas?