NDEs and epileptic seizures

If the seizures happen in NDE cases then NDEs get debunked as just brain product. We have to see if seizures and NDEs always happen together but I fear this is the case. Maybe one can try contact parnia?

Sure that means the vertical content of NDEs can simply be attributed to having a fit. I don’t think so.

There is plenty of measurable electrical activity in the brain after 20s.

We've been through this before, Max. Can you provide some evidence of that ? Are you circling back to the rat study again ?

Sure that means the vertical content of NDEs can simply be attributed to having a fit. I don’t think so.

Do you perhaps mean veridical, Obiwan ? Even if you don't, it still kind of makes sense.

Do you perhaps mean veridical, Obiwan ? Even if you don't, it still kind of makes sense.

Haha yes veridical- bloody autocorrect. You’re right it works either way 

Reading through this thread, I think two things can be equally true:

1. Casting aspersions against another user's honesty and motives is unhelpful, impolite, and takes away from the topic at hand.

2. With all due respect, Raf - as someone prone to overreacting myself, you seem very easily swayed by whichever new piece of information on parapsychology you read last, and you may be better served by considering more writing on the subject and considering the evidence before jumping to a position.

Reading through this thread, I think two things can be equally true:

1. Casting aspersions against another user's honesty and motives is unhelpful, impolite, and takes away from the topic at hand.

2. With all due respect, Raf - as someone prone to overreacting myself, you seem very easily swayed by whichever new piece of information on parapsychology you read last, and you may be better served by considering more writing on the subject and considering the evidence before jumping to a position.

Naaaaa, aspersions, no. When it walks like a duck..... When a person is "scared" by what he perceives as "evidence that debunks NDE's", and somebody points to other phenomena that is stronger than NDE's, the first thing this person would do is familiarize themselves with said phenomena. That would be a normal, I even would say, inevitable reaction: "wow, there is the phenomena out there that could cure me of my fear of the debunked NDE's, I better read up on them". When, on the other hand, this person directly states "I'm sure this phenomena can be explained by brain activity", only blind wouldn't see the intent. To sum it up and as I stated before, have seen this spiel of "pessimistic proponent" hundreds of times, it follows pretty unoriginal modus operandi.

Naaaaa, aspersions, no. When it walks like a duck..... When a person is "scared" by what he perceives as "evidence that debunks NDE's", and somebody points to other phenomena that is stronger than NDE's, the first thing this person would do is familiarize themselves with said phenomena. That would be a normal, I even would say, inevitable reaction: "wow, there is the phenomena out there that could cure me of my fear of the debunked NDE's, I better read up on them". When, on the other hand, this person directly states "I'm sure this phenomena can be explained by brain activity", only blind wouldn't see the intent. To sum it up and as I stated before, have seen this spiel of "pessimistic proponent" hundreds of times, it follows pretty unoriginal modus operandi.

Do as you want, if you think I am some sort of conspirator here to do damage (to whom, why? I really don't get this) I really can't change your mind.

I know that NDEs are a good source of paranormal/non materialistic phenomena while all the rest (PK, normal OBEs, deathbed visions, terminal lucidity, remote viewing) has been either debunked or flawed by dozens of sloppy researches allowing magicians to pose as psychics, rater bias permitting mediums cold or hot readings, wishful thinking and so on. Radin accepting as evidence a spoon being bent that was given to him before the experiment, so could have easily been rigged, is the best exaple of how deeply flawed and unreliable parapsichological research can be. Nobody serious would have even thought about taking in consideration something like that.

NDEs are being studied by competent MDs, and I don't like to see them damaged. The only study that showed electrical activity in the brain after CA is based on rats, so it doesn't directly applies to humans and even then it doesn't explain consciousness, as conscious activity should appear on normal medical EEGs. This seizures instead appeared on a normal EEG, as far as we know, so they make me concerned.

NDEs are being studied by competent MDs, and I don't like to see them damaged.

Who do you think is "damaging" the NDE studies? Not Parnia, surely?

Who do you think is "damaging" the NDE studies? Not Parnia, surely?

No no, I have great respect for Parnia as he is very profesional in his duty. i would like to have him as my doctor  

The fact that there could be EEG activity during CA, that is what i find troubling. But "seizures" maybe aren't full EEG activity? I don't know. Another thing that puzzles me is how low the number of recruited individuals actually is, really problematic to conduct a study on 45 patients. i hope that the video isn't too recent and thay had more people to conduct the study with,