NDEs and epileptic seizures

Your claims have been refuted by the numerous NDE reports, so...

Why can't they? People could just gather informations through normal sensory means while in CA with brain activity going on, then their brains reconstruct the scene from those inputs.

As I said, you haven0t even heard about SDE's  They happen in perfectly sane and lucid people.

Heard of Terminal Lucidity, Raf?

How do you care to explain these kinds of events?

Especially when they occur in people who suffer from diagnosed irreversible Alzheimer's?

Has it ever been demonstrated that NDEs occur at the moment someone has a seizure?

By this logic, you'd expect sufferers of Epilepsy to experience NDEs ~ which has never been recorded in the literature regarding Epilepsy.

Raf999, you are an odd individual.

Previously, you attack PK as being basically fraudulent, while saying that NDEs are what you believe to be verifiably real.

But, now... you attack NDEs heavy-handedly too?

I feel like I've slipped into a bizarro world...

Or maybe, just maybe, you might be a Physicalist pretending to accept the verifiability of paranormal phenomena, and then when you get what you think is ammunition, you shoot it down quite gleefully. That's the vibe I'm getting here.

It's worth noting that Raf999 posted on another thread that in contrast to Ganzfeld studies "The body of veridical evidence for them [OBEs in NDEs] is really huge." I really don't see how that would be consistent with a conventional, non-psi explanation for NDEs.

I haven't looked at the video of Parnia yet but I will. To address the point about seizures during cardiac arrest being the cause of NDE, it's a non starter. We dealt with this a year or so ago.

Dr Ernst Rodin (now deceased) was one of, or was possibly the foremost expert(s) in seizures. He dealt with hundreds of them and never encountered anything resembling the symptoms of an NDE.
 

The essence of the manuscript under discussion is that the authors are impressed with the similarity between NDE reports and temporal lobe seizure symptomatology. There are, however, several points the epileptologist needs to address lest the non specialist reader accept the model as closely resembling the truth of the situation.

The hallmarks and nuclear components of NDEs are a sensation of peace or even bliss, the knowledge of having died, and, as a result, being no longer limited by the physical body. In spite of having seen hundreds of patients with

temporal lobe seizures during three decades of professional life, I have never come across that symptomatology as part of a seizure.

https://www.newdualism.org/nde-papers/Ro...55-259.pdf

There *is* brain activity during the NDE, because sufficient numbers of cells are still functional,

There isn't any measurable electrical activity in the brain (activity thought to be essential for lucid thought processes and memory formation) after 10-20 seconds of cardiac arrest. What you're talking about is cells still making movements, which they do. But that doesn't equate with consciousness (apparently)

What I'm telling you it's just that, based on ehat I read about NDEs (the self does not die), most of the "paranormality" of NDEs comes from them happening at a time where brain activity is absent. That is for me fundamental and gives a lot of validity to it.

If they happen at the same time where brain activity os present then they lose a lot of appeal to me. I hope they are not correlated to this event, but as a pessimist I get this bad feeling about it.

What I'm telling you it's just that, based on ehat I read about NDEs (the self does not die), most of the "paranormality" of NDEs comes from them happening at a time where brain activity is absent. That is for me fundamental and gives a lot of validity to it.

If they happen at the same time where brain activity os present then they lose a lot of appeal to me. I hope they are not correlated to this event, but as a pessimist I get this bad feeling about it.

Yea, yea, Pam Reynolds had a seizure and stuff..... And dr. Rodonaia.... and Kim Clarke... and so on, an so forth.   

I guess I'll try to wait with a bit of hope for the final results of AWARE II, maybe they won't have any connection to seizures. I'm just really pessimistic that's all.

You're a really weirdly pessimistic person, then.

A bit too odd for my taste.