NDE's

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Thanks. This one worked.

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Good stuff ! It's maybe not quite as appealing as the more typical veridical cases but it is remarkable, if you accept his 
word, that is (and Brian is as straight forward and honest as they come).  

Sceptics tell us that these are simply retrospective confabulations that are either created automatically/subliminally (some kind of autonomous mechanism with a bit of 'Elizabeth Loftus',  or created wilfully and then integrated into memory as something that actually occured, when it didn't really occur like that at all. 

This man was lying down on a hospital bed holding a paper cup. His heart stopped and he was immediately outside the hospital staring at the front entrance. And then he was pulled back again like being on an elastic bungee that he had no control over. He clearly felt all this movement and dramatic change of scenery and knew it had really happened to him, otherwise he wouldn't have instantly lost his fear of death. He actually thought he was going to expire for good and wasn't afraid at all as he knew now there was something else (Brian was also a scientist BTW). 

He didn't retrospectively confabulate anything. It was all experienced and achieved in a couple of minutes, so how does that happen.

The latest rhetoric I'm seeing from the Physicalist pseudo-skeptics is that despite cardiac arrest and cessation of breathing, brain activity still supposedly occurs for minutes afterwards, so they can then claim that it's not really death, and therefore NDEs are just brain activity. It's even as nebulous as some differentiating between clinical death, and biological death, to claim that NDEs happen while the person is still alive, because they're not biologically dead!

Some serious mental gymnastics going on there. It's tiring, because they just keep repeating this claim without any evidence, and ignore the fact the consciousness completely ceases with cardiac arrests, and any that random chaos happening to the dying cells in the brain is completely meaningless, and completely contradicts the clear, lucid experiences that the NDEr has.

The latest rhetoric I'm seeing from the Physicalist pseudo-skeptics is that despite cardiac arrest and cessation of breathing, brain activity still supposedly occurs for minutes afterwards, so they can then claim that it's not really death, and therefore NDEs are just brain activity. It's even as nebulous as some differentiating between clinical death, and biological death, to claim that NDEs happen while the person is still alive, because they're not biologically dead!

Some serious mental gymnastics going on there. It's tiring, because they just keep repeating this claim without any evidence, and ignore the fact the consciousness completely ceases with cardiac arrests, and any that random chaos happening to the dying cells in the brain is completely meaningless, and completely contradicts the clear, lucid experiences that the NDEr has.

Brain activity actually ceases (according to one neuroscientist I saw commenting on NDE's--he wasn't a dualist BTW) even before the heart has stopped, when the heart has slowed down to about thirty beats a minute. To claim the brain is still organised and able to construct highly lucid experience, with cognition and memory formation, when blood flow has ceased for three minutes is just science fiction. 

It cannot possibly be so and one doesn't need to be a neuroscientist to deduce that. Nothing that requires energy to work can continue working without energy for very long, let alone something as complex as the brain, the organ with by far the greatest need for fuel (20% of the oxygen and glucose I believe). 

Of course, Parnia has put the cat amongst the pigeons by offering the spikes (he claims he's discovered late into cardiac arrest) as a mechanism for how dead patients can have experience. He doesn't actually believe that the spikes are responsible and no one else does either, because that's BS too, but he was trying to remain rigidly scientific in the absence of a target hit. It hasn't worked and anyway, he's still a dualist.

and ignore the fact the consciousness completely ceases with cardiac arrests

But as we know, experience doesn't seem to stop after all, hence there are quite a few studies investigating the phenomena, like AWARE.

and any that random chaos happening to the dying cells in the brain is completely meaningless

But that's not what Borjigin found... she found the brain's of rodents measured using iEEG went through a period "chaos" during cardiac arrest, but then spontaneously showed highly synchronized activity at around 17s into cardiac arrest, and this highly synchronized activity resembled the type of activity we would normally expect to measure in a wakeful humans EM field, who is undertaking a visual task.

17s is far too early for this measured iEEG to be dying cells, the Donnan equilibrium occurs minutes later, so I think we can rule out spreading depressions etc. as the cause of the synchronous and highly coherent activity they recorded.

Video posted to awareofaware by sixupgradeit! that I've not seen before, and which contained valuable extra first-hand information of Vicky Noratuk's NDE/OBE. Worthwhile posting it here.

Brain activity actually ceases (according to one neuroscientist I saw commenting on NDE's--he wasn't a dualist BTW) even before the heart has stopped, when the heart has slowed down to about thirty beats a minute. To claim the brain is still organised and able to construct highly lucid experience, with cognition and memory formation, when blood flow has ceased for three minutes is just science fiction. 

It cannot possibly be so and one doesn't need to be a neuroscientist to deduce that. Nothing that requires energy to work can continue working without energy for very long, let alone something as complex as the brain, the organ with by far the greatest need for fuel (20% of the oxygen and glucose I believe). 

Of course, Parnia has put the cat amongst the pigeons by offering the spikes (he claims he's discovered late into cardiac arrest) as a mechanism for how dead patients can have experience. He doesn't actually believe that the spikes are responsible and no one else does either, because that's BS too, but he was trying to remain rigidly scientific in the absence of a target hit. It hasn't worked and anyway, he's still a dualist.

I think it is obvious that no explanation of experiences of any kind in terms of firing neurons makes any sense - people who try that butt up against the hard problem.

I think the only explanation that makes sense, is that normally the mind is coupled with the brain, but that during cardiac arrest, there comes a point where the mind starts to decouple from the brain. The decoupling plausibly produces the burst of neurone firing.

David

Video posted to awareofaware by sixupgradeit! that I've not seen before, and which contained valuable extra first-hand information of Vicky Noratuk's NDE/OBE. Worthwhile posting it here.

from around 6:30 in the video Vicky describes her OBE, where she says she was up above the street, and then going in-and-out of her mouth at the scene of the car accident. Later at Harbour View Hospital she says she experienced being completely out of her body - up on the ceiling.

That's fantastic information! Because we all know the sorts of things that medically trained first responders do when someone is on the ground, unresponsive, and may not be breathing.