Double slit experiment - just bouncing particles?

I thought this after reading your complimentary reply. When one does not understand QM should that one ask for clarification from others that have an equally limited understanding?

The other is can you name the reasons why all the skeptically minded left this forum?

Point 1.  Anybody who thinks they understand QM doesn't.

Point 2.  Because their constant repetition of carefully revised rhetoric failed to stop everybody else from trying to understand and intelligently discuss difficult concepts and unusual experiences without resorting to knee-jerks and false claims that things have been proven/disproven when in fact they haven't?

Point 1.  Anybody who thinks they understand QM doesn't.

Point 2.  Because their constant repetition of carefully revised rhetoric failed to stop everybody else from trying to understand and intelligently discuss difficult concepts and unusual experiences without resorting to knee-jerks and false claims that things have been proven/disproven when in fact they haven't?

It's not just on the forum - the pseudoskeptical presence is dying out everywhere. Even the "rock stars" of the skeptical movement like Harris / Shermer / Carroll are having Idealists as guests on their podcasts.

Seems like all that's left of the pseudoskeptic movement is the groupies parroting the same talking points as the world moves on.

It's not just on the forum - the pseudoskeptical presence is dying out everywhere. Even the "rock stars" of the skeptical movement like Harris / Shermer / Carroll are having Idealists as guests on their podcasts.

Seems like all that's left of the pseudoskeptic movement is the groupies parroting the same talking points as the world moves on.

Before you know it the same "rock stars" will be claiming that they were idealists from day one and practically invented the notion.

I saw Sparky's comment and it kinda made me want to say something. We here on this forum are mostly outsiders, we experience parapsychology through the drip feed of info that comes to us. If you actually talk to parapsychologists, they can highlight experiments that have strong results and consistent replicability over time. Obviously, because they know and participate and have firsthand acess to research on the topics. This is why parapsychologists in today's day and age mostly ignore outside skeptical responses, cause the large majority of them know nothing and provide 0 productive info how to improve. 

As for what Steve said, I think the skeptics on here got treated a lot more harshly than what they desrved, though the question of what theie end goal was on here needs to be asked. I saw maybe 1 or 2 things said that made me really think about what was being talked about in a more skeptical way, but otherwise it's just more of our lay people arguing back and forth. 

"I don't think the evidence says PSI is real!"
"Well I do!"

Where are we meant to go from there?

Before you know it the same "rock stars" will be claiming that they were idealists from day one and practically invented the notion.

There is a cynical part of me that sees prominent pseudo-skeptics just going where the money is.

Even Shermer's paranormal experience...I've heard some skeptics discuss such things privately with a tacit agreement never to go public with them.

"I don't think the evidence says PSI is real!"
"Well I do!"

Where are we meant to go from there?

I think its fair that you mentioned sceptics been treated more harshly than they deserved. Maybe it sometimes gets hard to separate the topic from the personal, human aspects. Though the latter maybe also affects forum members across the spectrum of views, from time to time.


As for the question you posed in the part I quoted. I figured out a long time ago that these things have a real impact in my life. Particularly the relevance of dreams. There is a rich mountain of content available to all of us. One thing I've noticed is that the more I pay attention to my dreams, try to remember them, write them down and so on, the less nonsensical they become. It sometimes feels as though there is a lot of jumbled-up nonsense, but when we start to look at it, the chaos settles down and clear wisdom emerges in them. The choice is ours. Each to their own of course.

As for the question you posed in the part I quoted. I figured out a long time ago that these things have a real impact in my life. Particularly the relevance of dreams. There is a rich mountain of content available to all of us. One thing I've noticed is that the more I pay attention to my dreams, try to remember them, write them down and so on, the less nonsensical they become. It sometimes feels as though there is a lot of jumbled-up nonsense, but when we start to look at it, the chaos settles down and clear wisdom emerges in them. The choice is ours. Each to their own of course.

Curious - have you noticed any Psi effects?

Curious - have you noticed any Psi effects?

Well yes, though the term 'effects' has me thinking of something slight or marginal perhaps. I just see dreams as a doorway to a something, rich in so many ways.

Years ago when I was grounded in materialism and took it as a complete description of reality, my dreams were where the first cracks in that structure appeared. In my waking existence at that time, letter-writing - pen on paper and transported by the postal service  - was the main way in which I kept in touch with friends and family when apart. I was surprised firstly that myself and the intended recipient would each write to one another on the same day, which implied, with no physical coordinating factor, we'd been in each other's thoughts during the letter-writing. More surprisingly, my dreams often contained content which pre-empted what I would later read on opening a letter from a loved one.

So perhaps letter-writing, combined with physical separation and no other means of communication were my first inkling of psi, closely followed by dream content which could be regarded as telepathy (my preferred interpretation) or precognition (the likes of Dean Radin lean this way).

So I came to expect telepathy both in waking and in dreams.

Then there is precognition, I mentioned elsewhere something to do with time, where I was woken from my slumbers by an alarm clock which I did not possess, and would not purchase until months later, and even then inadvertently, since I was more interested in the clock than the alarm at the time of purchase. It was only after installing the batteries and going through a test of the functions that I heard the alarm and realised it was the same as the one from my previous dream. That was a somehow small but perhaps witty occurrence, the fact that it was a clock which illustrated precognition, almost an existence independent of time, seems somehow a kind of cosmic humour.

There are other aspects of dreams, their interpretation and meaning. That could fall in the category which I refer to as wisdom or guidance. However, there is also synchronicity, where things in dreams and in waking life somehow match up, but I see this as something separate from precognition, it has some more symbolic value or meaning. During the time when I was learning (don't ask me how - it was as if I was recalling something I already knew) - when I was learning to interpret the meaning of dreams, I started to realise that waking life often followed the same pattern, that waking life could be interpreted as though it was dream symbolism too. I started to consider waking and sleeping as very much the same thing in some respects.

The most powerful of all the dream experiences for me have been encounters with the deceased. These separate themselves out from ordinary dreaming by being intensely real, often very brief and involving the physical sense of touch. Such meetings are rare, it is not a case of thinking about something or someone so much that it enters our dreams (I had that with factory work, where a production line would feature in my dreams), but on the contrary, encounters with the deceased have been apparently spontaneous, though I'm starting to think that there may be limited windows or openings between this existence and the beyond. For example at the time of someone's passing at the end of their life, there may be an opening or possibilities for other contact or travel by such visitors.

Really though, for me the biggest everyday value of dreams is their wisdom, whenever I'm feeling lost or uncertain on something, with no-one to go to for advice, dreaming is a dependable and I've found trustworthy source of guidance, going beyond everyday egotistical concerns.

I think the really important thing to understand about QM interference, is that the wavefunction isn't exactly probability, and in fact it can take on negative and positive values (or complex values) - and negative or complex probability doesn't make sense!

The corresponding probability distribution is given by Ψ * complexconjugate(Ψ), which is always positive or zero.

wtf

I have no working knowledge of the math of QM, but I am not so afraid of complex, infinite, imaginary and negative values as expressing natural relations.

 What does the wave function ψ represent?

A wave function (Ψ) is a mathematical function that relates the location of an electron at a given point in space (identified by x, y, and z coordinates) to the amplitude of its wave, which corresponds to its energy. - Aug 25, 2020

Renormalization has sorted the math, to be useful and accurate.  The math method proved to be a key in understanding the physical nature of scale.  https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-renor...-20200917/