(2024-10-02, 11:03 AM)Valmar Wrote: You require "independent" evidence that spiritual realms are real??? What sort of evidence would satisfy you, exactly? Apparently not the plethora of evidence from NDEs, OBEs, reincarnation, past-life memories, mediumship and the like. Which leaves you with not much if you would dismiss the best compiled sources of evidence we have from rigorous studies done by individuals like Jim Tucker, Bruce Greyson and friends.
I'm discussing within this context:
(2024-09-27, 10:25 AM)David001 Wrote: I would tend to say that all these visions should be explained together - there should be no distinction in principle between hallucinations and deathbed visions, visions induced by DMT, etc. It is unhelpful to try to explain these in different ways.
Which is to disagree with the idea that we should explain different 'kinds' of visions together.
While I'm highly skeptical about reincarnation cases, as they mainly occur in countries where belief in reincarnation and ancestor worship are prevalent, I recognize that near-death experiences (NDEs), for example, represent a different state of consciousness that is neither 'normal wakefulness' nor 'sleeping.' So there's at least 4 states of consciousness we know of "awake, sleep, nde, drug induced hallucinations". Some speculate that the last two are identical.