Dualism or idealist monism as the best model for survival after death data

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(2024-01-28, 09:10 AM)Max_B Wrote: Pity the poor buggers who have a distressing near-death experience, that doesn't fit into Greyson's NDE scale - because there are no marks available for distressing experiences. Hence these experiences ain't investigated in studies which rely on the Greyson NDE scale to decide who has/has not had an NDE.

You lot then insist NDE's are a real experience of an afterlife, leaving the distressing experients isolated with their experience, and concerned about what might await them.

Have any of you even read Nancy Evans Bush 'Dancing Past The Dark'?

Van Lommel didn't find one negative NDE in his prospective study, Max. That was a large study. Some of Parnia's patient's recollections are open to interpretation. This is a very controversial area whuch raises many questions for which there are no satisfactory answers.

You say... us lot (me included) insist NDE's are a real experience of an afterlife. Well of course, they could hardly be anything else. However, You...Max, don't accept that NDE's represent an afterlife because you don't accept that anything leaves the body in the initial phase (the OBE) that could actually experience an afterlife. You can't profess to accept the secondary/other phases of NDE's as real/legitimate, postive or negative, if you deny the initial split from the body so to speak. By the mechanics of your theory, nothing goes anywhere, so why would you even be bothered ? All NDE's to you must be "imaginations" of some sort or type. 

Leaving that aside, I personally supect that there are areas where some people go and jolly well deserve to go, too, (jolly well lol ) but it's not my business to pass judgement on other human beings.  I have spoken to some people who ended up in what they desribed as a grey area, very unpleasant, populated with unpleasant people. I've never heard (personally that is) an experience of devils with pitch forks but it can't be ruled out, who knows. They certainly exist.

I'm sure you've occasionally met some very unpleasant people (maybe frankly evil ) in your life, I know I have. But whence comes evil (god), what is evil, what is being good; what is being bad? I'm not religious at all but I do however accept the basic teachings of Christ because I believe them to be authentic. I also accept the clearly authentic NDE's accounts of those that have been dead and come back (although I may occasionally have been duped, naturally). It doesn't always fit together, but for me personally, there is enough consistency, overall. Others will of course disagree and that's fine.
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RE: Dualism or idealist monism as the best model for survival after death data - by tim - 2024-01-28, 03:25 PM

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