Dualism or idealist monism as the best model for survival after death data

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It is clear that many paranormal experiences of apparent spirits have occurred in the context of the Catholic Church's belief in Marian apparitions. These extraordinary experiences apparently really happened, with many witnesses. The most reasonable explanation is that they were subconsciously generated psychokinetic manifestations arising from the strong beliefs of masses of Catholics, rather than the actual spirits. In the context of the discussion here, these experiences could probably be classed as collective Living Agent Psi or Super-Psi, and probably indicate what sort of phenomena Super-Psi can create as opposed to what it can't do. It seems to me these religious phenomena may well indicate a common mechanism with many other non-Catholic paranormal events, where the strong beliefs of a large group of people can apparently physically manifest themselves and appear to many witnesses. 

A few of the many Catholic Marian apparition miracles observed by large numbers of people (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ma...pparitions):

- Our Lady of Knock, 1879, location Knock, Ireland

Quote:On August 21, 1879, a group of 15 men, women, and children, ranging in age from 5 to 75, reported seeing an apparition behind their church, against the back wall, of an altar with a lamb on it (understood to represent Jesus), surrounded by a multitude of angels. Off to the side in prayer stood Mary, Joseph, and St. John (with St. John dressed as a bishop). Because Mary was among those seen, the apparition is classified as Marian, although the simultaneous appearance of Jesus, Mary, Joseph, John, and numerous angels makes it unique among this category. A further distinctive characteristic is that this apparition was silent: no verbal messages were given. The apparition lasted for an hour and a half.

- Our Lady of Fátima, Our Lady of the Rosary, The Immaculate Heart of Mary, 1917, location Cova da Iria, Fátima, Portugal

Quote:Three shepherd children reported seeing apparitions of an angel (who identified himself as the Guardian Angel of Portugal) followed by apparitions of Mary. Mary revealed to the children three secrets: first, the reality of hell and the means of saving people from it through personal sacrifices and Acts of reparation; second, a prediction of future upheavals (beginning with World War II), the spiritual means of ending them (a Consecration of Russia and Communions of reparation on First Saturdays), and a prediction of an eventual "triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary"; third, an obscure vision of future persecution of the Catholic Church. The apparitions culminated with the Miracle of the Sun, an astronomical phenomenon witnessed by a crowd of approximately 70,000 people, and even by others located miles away.

- Our Lady of Medjugorje, The Gospa Queen of Peace, 1981–present, location Medjugorje, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Quote:The reported apparitions of the Virgin Mary to six children in Medjugorje, beginning in 1981, have received significant attention due to the numerous miracles that large crowds of pilgrims report experiencing on an almost-daily basis, including dramatic conversions, visions, rosaries turning to a gold color, astronomical phenomena like the Miracle of the Sun, etc. The alleged apparitions are also notable for their duration, having been occurring continuously for almost 40 years. The apparition messages contain five main requests: first, to pray the entire Rosary daily; second, to fast on Wednesdays and Fridays; third, to attend Mass as often as possible; fourth, to go to Confession at least monthly; and fifth, to read the Bible daily.
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