Psience Quest

Sci. Didn't you create the What are you listening to thread? What difference does it make what people talk about in other stuff? I'd love to have a thread on beer. I love beer. Wine. Yes. Cheese. Yes.

(2017-08-21, 06:16 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]Sci. Didn't you create the What are you listening to thread? What difference does it make what people talk about in other stuff? I'd love to have a thread on beer. I love beer. Wine. Yes. Cheese. Yes.

Well, thinking about all the things that caused conflict on Skeptiko, do we want pedophile "rights" threads? Holocaust Denial threads?

Seems like everyone has a limit as to what they think this forum's purpose should serve. I get the idea of a forum where anything and everything goes, but I thought that was the point of your forum?

(2017-08-21, 06:57 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]Well, thinking about all the things that caused conflict on Skeptiko, do we want pedophile "rights" threads? Holocaust Denial threads?

Seems like everyone has a limit as to what they think this forum's purpose should serve. I get the idea of a forum where anything and everything goes, but I thought that was the point of your forum?

I don't think the idea is "anything and everything goes", is it? Unless I've misunderstood, the political/conspiracy theory threads would still be moderated, and I'd hope things like paedophile propaganda or Holocaust denial would be promptly removed. Also publicity for some of the more distasteful foreign cheeses. It seems to me the people likely to suffer most are the moderators who will have to do the work of policing these threads, but if they are willing to do it ...

(2017-08-21, 07:17 PM)Chris Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the idea is "anything and everything goes", is it? Unless I've misunderstood, the political/conspiracy theory threads would still be moderated, and I'd hope things like paedophile propaganda or Holocaust denial would be promptly removed. Also publicity for some of the more distasteful foreign cheeses. It seems to me the people likely to suffer most are the moderators who will have to do the work of policing these threads, but if they are willing to do it ...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to the idea of discussing politics and will participate in the forums as I'm very interested in global affairs.

But I think what is going to happen is the gravity of politics, and CT to the extent it's just propaganda narratives for different sides, will end up being the major center of focus.

(2017-08-21, 06:57 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]Well, thinking about all the things that caused conflict on Skeptiko, do we want pedophile "rights" threads? Holocaust Denial threads?

Seems like everyone has a limit as to what they think this forum's purpose should serve. I get the idea of a forum where anything and everything goes, but I thought that was the point of your forum?

I think I said above. If a thread is inappropriate then delete it. No one wants to have threads on pedophile rights. Nor should any forum. But I don't think there need to be rules like no politics or especially conspiracy talk. Conspiracy gets to the heart of a lot of subjects here. Saying it isn't allowed is kind of silly.

(2017-08-21, 08:06 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]Conspiracy gets to the heart of a lot of subjects here. Saying it isn't allowed is kind of silly.

Seems like most of the time someone asks for actual evidence and gets told they can't handle the truth, that they just need to Google, etc.

If we do have to endure conspiracy theories perhaps we should have a rule that mods lock threads when pro-CT peeps can't produce real proof when accusing others of some nefarious deeds?

(2017-08-21, 08:16 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like most of the time someone asks for actual evidence and gets told they can't handle the truth, that they just need to Google, etc.

If we do have to endure conspiracy theories perhaps we should have a rule that mods lock threads when pro-CT peeps can't produce real proof when accusing others of some nefarious deeds?

So you don't think the Catholic church conspired to protect child abusers? JFK. No conspiracy there? MKULTRA? 

con·spir·a·cy
kənˈspirəsē/
noun

1. a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
   "a conspiracy to destroy the government"
   synonyms:
   plot, scheme, plan, machination, ploy, trick, ruse, subterfuge; 
   informalracket
   "a conspiracy to manipulate the results"
   • the action of plotting or conspiring.
     "they were cleared of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice"
     synonyms:
     plotting, collusion, intrigue, connivance, machination, collaboration; 
     treason
     "conspiracy to commit murder"
     

(2017-08-21, 08:33 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]So you don't think the Catholic church conspired to protect child abusers? JFK. No conspiracy there? MKULTRA? 

In at least two of those cases there's accepted evidence right?

At what point is it ok to speculate over crimes committed by individuals while providing "evidence" on the level of Alex's insistence that we can just use Google Image Search?

(2017-08-21, 08:39 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]In at least two of those cases there's accepted evidence right?

At what point is it ok to speculate over crimes committed by individuals while providing "evidence" on the level of Alex's insistence that we can just use Google Image Search?

This isn't Alex's forum. Are you talking about JFK and no evidence? I don't know that much about it, but I doubt he did it alone.

I think there is a distinction between core and incidental content. Other stuff, to me, means occasional titbits of trivia or items of passing interest (e.g. movies, music, books, etc.). Core content is the stuff we want to discuss in the main. Personally, I don't include CT or politics as core and think they are amply served in other forums such as the "new-direction" Skeptiko. I wouldn't like to see either encroaching on the subjects we started the forum to discuss.