(2017-08-21, 09:49 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]Seems to me people are itching to sell us on their favorite CTs and political views. Happy to play the game but just be ready for this to become a political/CT forum.
Still want to get an answer to the question if moderation of CTs will be like the nonsense Alex tolerates where people cannot offer real evidence but insist that some psychological flaw keeps people from connecting the disparate dots the same way they do.
So you don't see any possible relation between metaphysics and existing political systems?
(2017-08-21, 09:59 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]So you don't see any possible relation between metaphysics and existing political systems?
Didn't say that, but I want to know how moderation will be treat CT peddling when the evidence is sparse?
Alex banned me for some mild criticism of him while allowing people to wildly speculate on who is guilty of child rape. Is that the kind of poor moderation we should expect here as well, or is the CT overview going to be far more strict since Alex is open to even claims of OBEs spying on pedophile rings and thus makes Skeptiko the ideal CT peddler forum?
(2017-08-21, 09:59 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]So you don't see any possible relation between metaphysics and existing political systems?
I see metaphysics in relation to absolutely everything. Again, it depends on whether you want to discuss metaphysics or politics. There are plenty of places to discuss politics. If you want to use metaphysics as a wedge to open the forum for political debate, then I'm not interested in taking part in such a forum.
(2017-08-21, 10:03 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't say that, but I want to know how moderation will be treat CT peddling when the evidence is sparse?
Alex banned me for some mild criticism of him while allowing people to wildly speculate on who is guilty of child rape. Is that the kind of poor moderation we should expect here as well, or is the CT overview going to be far more strict since Alex is open to even claims of OBEs spying on pedophile rings and thus makes Skeptiko the ideal CT peddler forum?
So maybe we just say that the threshold for evidence should be elevated. But shouldn't that threshold be upheld across the board? Do people get to claim that NDEs DEFINITELY occur when the brain is "dead"? No one can prove that and anyone with any sense knows it. I doubt anyone is going to ban you here for asking for more evidence.
(2017-08-21, 10:09 PM)Kamarling Wrote: [ -> ]I see metaphysics in relation to absolutely everything. Again, it depends on whether you want to discuss metaphysics or politics. There are plenty of places to discuss politics. If you want to use metaphysics as a wedge to open the forum for political debate, then I'm not interested in taking part in such a forum.
I don't want political debate. I mean if you really want to ban something, ban discussion of global warming. I just think it is ridiculous to think that you are going to have a forum entirely devoted to psi (and I assume everything related to psi) and there isn't going to be any discussion of politics or conspiracy theory.
(2017-08-21, 10:03 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't say that, but I want to know how moderation will be treat CT peddling when the evidence is sparse?
Alex banned me for some mild criticism of him while allowing people to wildly speculate on who is guilty of child rape. Is that the kind of poor moderation we should expect here as well, or is the CT overview going to be far more strict since Alex is open to even claims of OBEs spying on pedophile rings and thus makes Skeptiko the ideal CT peddler forum?
What about discussions of bigfoot or other cryptids? Pretty far out. Not a lot of physical evidence. Allowed? Not allowed? Fairies? Trolls?
(2017-08-21, 10:14 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]I don't want political debate. I mean if you really want to ban something, ban discussion of global warming. I just think it is ridiculous to think that you are going to have a forum entirely devoted to psi (and I assume everything related to psi) and there isn't going to be any discussion of politics or conspiracy theory.
I don't know how many different ways I can say this. If the subject has an interesting metaphysical component - such as the evidence for psi obtained by the CIA - then it is certainly in context here. But if the purpose of introducing the CIA experiments is to shift the discussion to the political aims of the CIA and then on to the possible conspiracy surrounding the program, then the context has been ignored.
(2017-08-21, 10:20 PM)Kamarling Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know how many different ways I can say this. If the subject has an interesting metaphysical component - such as the evidence for psi obtained by the CIA - then it is certainly in context here. But if the purpose of introducing the CIA experiments is to shift the discussion to the political aims of the CIA and then on to the possible conspiracy surrounding the program, then the context has been ignored.
Cutting some pretty fine slices of cheese there, Tad.
(2017-08-21, 10:24 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]Cutting some pretty fine slices of cheese there, Tad.
I don't agree. I have said that there is bound to be overlap but just ask to bear in mind the context.
I want to make a couple of things clear. Although I'm one of the founding members, I do not speak for all. I'm expressing my own opinions and that is why this thread was started - so that anyone could do the same. No decision has been made on what subjects are permitted or discouraged. One of the decisions that has been made is that banning will be a last resort except for known or obvious trolls.
When you created your forum it was, I believe, to be free-ranging and possibly unmoderated. We had a more focused vision in that we wanted to create the kind of forum that Skeptiko used to be before Alex started to steer the debate in other directions. We prefer a laissez-faire approach to moderation but there will be moderation. A statement of our purpose and aims is being prepared right now.
If you want the kind of forum that you created, I personally don't see why you want to impose your vision on us. Keep it open, you are still welcome here as, I hope, we would be welcome there.
(2017-08-21, 10:15 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]What about discussions of bigfoot or other cryptids? Pretty far out. Not a lot of physical evidence. Allowed? Not allowed? Fairies? Trolls?
This brings us back to the purpose of this forum.
Wondering about NDEs or cryptids to me is rather different than CTs which accuse people of actual crimes, and on Skeptiko at least people feel comfortable naming names based on "evidence" as silly as showing a picture of Lt. Aquino in some Satanist costume or Alex insisting that anyone could see the truth via Google Image Search.