(2018-06-02, 02:25 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]Where did you get this initial quote from Parnia, Desperado ?
"In this study, we will be testing the hypothesis that by limiting ischemia during resuscitation, higher cerebral oxygenation leads to improved cortical function during CPR and is associated with improved survival as well as favourable neurological, functional and neuropsychological outcomes. We further hypothesize that mental and cognitive activity and awareness during CPR may reflect verifiable events and is associated with the quality of brain resuscitation."
Oh, Max provided it a couple replies ago. But I must agree, I think Parnia's favored "hypothesis" is definitely not that one at this point. I definitely think he's not in agreement with Woerlee at all
(2018-06-02, 02:40 PM)Desperado Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, Max provided it a couple replies ago. But I must agree, I think Parnia's favored "hypothesis" is definitely not that one at this point. I definitely think he's not in agreement with Woerlee at all
Right, Thanks. I agree, I think Parnia is pretty satisfied that the mind (psyche or whatever) continues. However, he's got to get the experimental evidence to nail it and silence the hard line sceptics, once and for all. And that's not going to be easy.
(2018-07-11, 06:54 PM)Enrique Vargas Wrote: [ -> ]Don't know whether it has been posted yet: https://awareofaware.co/2018/07/10/the-i...ia-tweets/
On that page, where it says "The Illusive Dr Parnia Tweets", does it mean Parnia's posts are illusory or some sort of illusion? Or is the intended word "Elusive" (meaning: difficult to find, catch, or achieve)?
edit: Perhaps the intended meaning is "unclear"?
(2018-07-11, 08:10 PM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]On that page, where it says "The Illusive Dr Parnia Tweets", does it mean Parnia's posts are illusory or some sort of illusion? Or is the intended word "Elusive" (meaning: difficult to find, catch, or achieve)?
edit: Perhaps the intended meaning is "unclear"?
No, not some sort of illusion. Elusive as in... they are few and far between. I think (and it's just my opinion based on what he's said previously) this is related to experimental tests they are conducting on cardiac arrest patients (in addition to the OBE visual component and the level of oxygen depletion in the brain) whereby they are introducing sounds into the ears after the heart has stopped to help to determine and pin down once and for all the precise capabilities (or rather lack of) of brains after cardiac arrest.
So if they introduce a sound direct into the ear of a patient in cardiac arrest and the patient hears and remembers that sound, then that must mean that the brain is still functioning. (In theory at least)
Assuming the ears are plugged with this sound and the patient doesn't hear it, but reports external sounds, such as doctors saying very specific things during the resuscitation, then that means there was
something else other than the patient's brain that was receiving the information, hence the psyche, separate consciousness.
The funding he's got recently has enabled him to 'go to town' somewhat on this, I would imagine.
My take on this is that we might be wise to forget about it for our own piece of mind because he's not going to publish any results until 2020, but it's just my opinion. Not trying to advise.
I was wondering, does anyone have a source for this viewpoint attributed to Dr Parnia by
Sean Martin in the Daily Express, or is just (deliberately?) sloppy journalism?
Sean Martin Wrote:Dr Parnia says there are scientific explanations for the reaction, and says seeing people is not evidence of the afterlife, but more likely the brain just scanning itself as a survival technique.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/988...life-proof
To me it sounds pretty much unlike anything I ever heard or read from Sam Parnia. Also, some of the other parts in the article use quotation marks to indicate that a specific person said something. That part has no quotes, and doesn't even sound like a summary or paraphrasing of anything he actually said.
Edit: Same words, same journalist here:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/967...life-proof
(2018-07-14, 01:02 PM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]I was wondering, does anyone have a source for this viewpoint attributed to Dr Parnia by Sean Martin in the Daily Express, or is just (deliberately?) sloppy journalism?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/988...life-proof
To me it sounds pretty much unlike anything I ever heard or read from Sam Parnia. Also, some of the other parts in the article use quotation marks to indicate that a specific person said something. That part has no quotes, and doesn't even sound like a summary or paraphrasing of anything he actually said.
Edit: Same words, same journalist here:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/967...life-proof
Interesting NDE, Typoz, thanks for that. The first part of the quote from Sam Parnia is correct. The part about the brain scanning itself is 100% not from Parnia, of that I am pretty certain. The very same quote about the brain scanning itself came up a couple a few months ago and I remember seeing it somewhere but I just can't remember where yet.
(2018-07-14, 01:47 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting NDE, Typoz, thanks for that. The first part of the quote from Sam Parnia is correct. The part about the brain scanning itself is 100% not from Parnia, of that I am pretty certain. The very same quote about the brain scanning itself came up a couple a few months ago and I remember seeing it somewhere but I just can't remember where yet.
Thanks for the confirmation - maybe that quote is even discussed on this forum, it sounds vaguely familiar. Yes, here
https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-l...6#pid12406
That same NDE is covered in more detail here (no mention of Parnia this time):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...-like.html
Thanks for the extended version, Typoz.
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George, London, United Kingdom, about 7 hours ago
Load of cobblers.
woodenheart, Utopia, United Kingdom, about 8 hours ago
Nothing to do with promoting his artwork then.
Alexandra Sands, London, United Kingdom, about 8 hours ago
If it looks like that I would not wish to go there. Maybe he took too much LSD
wollidoodl, Ilkley, United Kingdom, about 8 hours ago
If he had died, he would be dead, since he isn't, then he didn't.
Brian, At Home, France, about 8 hours ago
How come every person who died and was resuscitated said they saw themselves floating over their body and could see those standing round it. None saw a blotch, or is that something that goes with his belief ?
And finally to sum it up very succinctly
Not here right now, Coolangatta, Australia, 13 hours ago
He's full of sh@t.