The Medical Medium and the dangers of believing in magic

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If you had a possibly serious illness, would you go to a "medical medium" or to a qualified medical practitioner?  Or to put it another way, how certain are you really, when it comes to the crunch, in the existence of psi?

(2023-05-06, 10:26 AM)Brian Wrote: If you had a possibly serious illness, would you go to a "medical medium" or to a qualified medical practitioner?  Or to put it another way, how certain are you really, when it comes to the crunch, in the existence of psi?


I'm confident enough to go to both. Why is it one or the other. "complimentary medicine"
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(2023-05-06, 10:26 AM)Brian Wrote: If you had a possibly serious illness, would you go to a "medical medium" or to a qualified medical practitioner?  Or to put it another way, how certain are you really, when it comes to the crunch, in the existence of psi?


When it comes to External Qigong (EQ) healing, which appears to have a major component of paranormal effects, since there exist a lot of researched successful results and data (detailed in another thread), I would go to a good EQ healer, but only after having poor or no results from conventional medicine (which happens all too often). Not so for mediumistic healing treatments, which I consider primarily unverified. 

However, this thread seems to be trying to discredit psi, esp and the paranormal in general (despite a mountain of empirical and researched evidence), based on the inevitable existence of a lot of dodgy pseudo mediumistic practitioners.
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Btw, wasn't Jesus a medical medium (maybe the greatest of them all)? Smile (And didn't he perform "magic"?)

Does that mean he should be "cancelled" (whatever that means)?
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(2023-05-06, 04:07 PM)Larry Wrote: I'm confident enough to go to both. Why is it one or the other. "complimentary medicine"

Yeah, seems like a false dilemma. This recalls the atheist argument of why religious people go to doctors practicing science-based medicine instead of just praying to God...

Before COVID when I was looking for mediums to visit I would try and ask people if they knew anyone in their community would they think would be worth checking out.

Unless you run in very particular circles I think this would be even harder to do for psychic healers but I have friends I trust in who, if they put faith in a healer, I would also check out.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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Just one of the problems with conventional medicine is that it is heavily dependent on Big Pharma, which is basically only interested in making money. Does maximising money produce optimal health - I don't think so.

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(2023-05-06, 04:51 PM)Ninshub Wrote: Btw, wasn't Jesus a medical medium (maybe the greatest of them all)? Smile (And didn't he perform "magic"?)

Does that mean he should be "cancelled" (whatever that means)?
You think the Word of God made flesh requires occult abilities in order to do miracles?  No, he didn't do magic, he was the Son of God.  Cancelled in this respect simply means not supported, so yes he should be cancelled because people are dying because of his "spiritual" diagnoses.
(2023-05-06, 04:12 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: When it comes to External Qigong (EQ) healing, which appears to have a major component of paranormal effects, since there exist a lot of researched successful results and data (detailed in another thread), I would go to a good EQ healer, but only after having poor or no results from conventional medicine (which happens all too often). Not so for mediumistic healing treatments, which I consider primarily unverified. 

However, this thread seems to be trying to discredit psi, esp and the paranormal in general (despite a mountain of empirical and researched evidence), based on the inevitable existence of a lot of dodgy pseudo mediumistic practitioners.

You don't half talk a lot of uncritical BS!  This thread is not to discredit anything but to get you to question your own certainty.  Try to remember I am mostly agnostic about these things with a small bias in favour of psi because of personal experience.  Even if the thread was to discredit psi, isn't that normal in the skeptic v. proponents forum?
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(2023-05-06, 04:07 PM)Larry Wrote: I'm confident enough to go to both. Why is it one or the other. "complimentary medicine"

Because complimentary medicine is a cop out term to hide the fact that it is proper medical care that is doing the good, not the woo.  At leat the original term "alternative" medicine would be correct if we eliminated the word medicine.
(2023-05-07, 08:51 AM)David001 Wrote: Just one of the problems with conventional medicine is that it is heavily dependent on Big Pharma, which is basically only interested in making money. Does maximising money produce optimal health - I don't think so.

David

I'm sure there are doctors who care little about their patients but I am sure they are not the majority.  More conspiracy woo.

Quote:Pharma is full of good people, doing good work – and having an effect on people’s lives that the majority of academics can only dream of.

Isn’t it about time we all recognised this?
https://www.theguardian.com/science/occa...l-academia
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