Parnia to the "dark side"?

In everyday settings and without the aid of equipment, one person's brain activity does not interfere with another's in terms of electromagnetic energy.

I don't think we know that.

Prato et. al. (2005) shows robust behavioral effects in mice using shielding to produce a hypo magnetic field.

The Aware Ii strongly fuels the hypothesis that NDEs are due to the restoration of blood circulation in the brain during CPR. I believe correlations between neural activity during resusication and NDEs will eventually be proven. I also believe that’s why we now see a change in stance from one of the leading experts in the field.

I don't think the actual study results indicate this at all. Typoz has now furnished a link to the text of the full paper, which is at https://www.resuscitationjournal.com/art...2/fulltext.

The following key quotes from the paper when reading through the deliberately ambiguous wording indicate a possible spiritual dualistic/filter explanation, apparently ranked on the same level as the materialistic epiphenomenon theory. I can imagine the long arguments that must have arisen between the authors over the exact wording.

(under Figure 2):  "Two of 28 interviewed subjects had EEG data, but, weren’t among those with explicit cognitive recall."  

Comment on the above: note that accordingly, it is entirely false to say that the study actually indicated an association of brain activity with NDEs. Also, much of the actual recorded brain activity was disordered and not indicative of consciousness.

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"The second category (of reported experiences) includes a unique transcendent recalled experience of death (RED), that is different to delusions, with multiple newly discovered themes within a distinctive narrative arc. This reflects a heightened sense of consciousness with paradoxical lucidity- a meaningful, purposeful review and moral re-evaluation of thoughts, intentions and actions towards others, perceptions of death and a different, ineffable reality. Although, the scientifically undefined, yet popular term of NDE is commonly used, a recent guideline identified its limitations and recommended the term RED. Unlike RED, dream like experiences exhibit unrelated, haphazard themes."
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"Although of unknown evolutionary benefit, instead of being hallucinatory, illusory or delusional, this appears to facilitate lucid understanding of new dimensions of reality – including people’s deeper consciousness - all memories, thoughts, intentions and actions towards others from a moral and ethical perspective. The mechanism of consciousness and its relationship with brain resuscitation and function remain undiscovered. “Bottom‐up” or “top-down” mechanisms are proposed for the emergence of consciousness. The former considers consciousness as an epiphenomenon from brain activities; the latter, as a separate undiscovered entity not produced by understood brain mechanisms, which can independently modulate brain activity. The identification of potential electrocortical biomarkers of consciousness doesn’t resolve this conundrum, as an association doesn’t imply causation. However, the paradoxical finding of lucidity and heightened reality when brain function is severely disordered, or has ceased raises the need to consider alternatives to the epiphenomenon theory."

I don't see how finding varied brain-body correlates to NDEs is a slam dunk for materialism, anymore than correlates for consciousness in general validate materialism.

Admittedly IMO nothing can validate that which is logically impossible...

Typoz also posted this video in another thread. Contrary to my impression that Parnia has indeed gone over to the "dark side", in this panel discussion he seems to be saying the same as most of us here are saying. One of his panelists who has - in their words - died seven times, agrees and has an interesting story to tell. So I'm not sure where these conclusions that the materialist view is somehow bolstered by Parnia's latest findings are justified.

https://youtu.be/ofjHUXW-kmc

I saw this blog linked from the daily grail website . I haven’t seen this before . Is this true from the aware II ?

https://futureandcosmos.blogspot.com/202...m.html?m=1

I saw this blog linked from the daily grail website . I haven’t seen this before . Is this true from the aware II ?

https://futureandcosmos.blogspot.com/202...m.html?m=1

"Is this true?" - not sure what in particular you are asking.

However the AWARE II study results are published here:
https://www.resuscitationjournal.com/art...2/fulltext
and the article linked does quote from there.

It looks like Dr. Sam Parnia has gone over to the "dark side" so to speak, in his latest remarks regarding his AWARE II most significant results, where under verified clinical conditions a certain small percentage of flatlined cardiac arrest patients were found to later report transcendental and even life-transforming experiences after temporarily being in a verified "death" state.

Parnia, ignoring reams of evidence to the contrary,  has apparently decided to suggest an ingenious physicalist neurological attempted explanation for the experiences, which inherently endorses materialist neuroscience's mantra that mind is essentially what the physical brain does on an ultimately physical level in its neural structures.

https://www.livescience.com/health/death...tudy-shows


Parnia, unexpectedly, like all the orthodox materialist neuroscience figures, conveniently ignores the large body of empirical evidence uncovered by independent investigators for the actual separation of the human spirit from the body during some deep veridical NDEs, during which many physically unaccountable correct observations of the environment are made. He also apparently ignores the considerable problems for his theory in explaining how there can be intense sophisticated and complex (therefore energy intensive) neural processing in some small non-cerebral deep brain structure(s), all while brain blood flow (and therefore oxygen intake and carbon dioxide outflow) is being drastically limited by the cardiac arrest.

And Parnia's speculations include the assumption that there is of course some evolutionary explanation, assuming of course Darwinian RM+NS, ignoring the obvious absurdity of this speculation on several levels.

Parnia's speculations are reasonable for a scientist and the "large body of empirical evidence" is highly interpretable.

I don't think we know that.

Prato et. al. (2005) shows robust behavioral effects in mice using shielding to produce a hypo magnetic field.

Is it this study you claim have any relation to the subject we are discussing here? (Before you answer, you should also consider that the electromagnectic field generated by the brain is 9 to 12 orders of magnitude weaker than the ambient magnectic field, i.e. Earth's magnectic field). As stated in my previous post it requires special amplifying equipment to even detect.

“We have recently observed that a single exposure of mice to a magnetically shielded environment can attenuate opioid induced analgesia. Here, we report the effect of repeated exposures to the same magnetically shielded environment. Adult male Swiss CD‐1 mice were placed in a Mu‐metal™ lined box or an opaque Plexiglas™ box (sham condition) for 1 h per day for 10 consecutive days. Nociception was measured as the latency time to a foot lift/lick in response to an aversive thermal stimulus (hotplate analgesiometer, 50 ± 1 °C) before and immediately after exposure. Multiple experiments were conducted in which thermal latency was tested on each of the 10 days or on days 1, 5, and 10, with some utilizing post‐exposure testing only. It was shown that mice can detect and will respond to the repeated absence of the ambient magnetic field, with a maximum analgesic response occurring over days 4–6”

https://scholar.google.ca/citations?view...81kl-MbHgC

Is it this study you claim have any relation to the subject we are discussing here?

“We have recently observed that a single exposure of mice to a magnetically shielded environment can attenuate opioid induced analgesia. Here, we report the effect of repeated exposures to the same magnetically shielded environment. Adult male Swiss CD‐1 mice were placed in a Mu‐metal™ lined box or an opaque Plexiglas™ box (sham condition) for 1 h per day for 10 consecutive days. Nociception was measured as the latency time to a foot lift/lick in response to an aversive thermal stimulus (hotplate analgesiometer, 50 ± 1 °C) before and immediately after exposure. Multiple experiments were conducted in which thermal latency was tested on each of the 10 days or on days 1, 5, and 10, with some utilizing post‐exposure testing only. It was shown that mice can detect and will respond to the repeated absence of the ambient magnetic field, with a maximum analgesic response occurring over days 4–6”

https://scholar.google.ca/citations?view...81kl-MbHgC

Yes, that's the abstract from the paper I mentioned above...

https://doi.org/10.1002/bem.20056

Yes, that's the abstract from the paper I mentioned above...

https://doi.org/10.1002/bem.20056

 
Are you aware that the electromagnectic field generated by the brain is 9 to 12 orders of magnitude weaker than the ambient magnectic field, i.e. Earth's magnectic field? As stated in my previous post it requires special amplifying equipment to even detect.