NDEs and epileptic seizures

I note that a member has stuck up a link to Ben Williams blog. It doesn't bother me, but there's nothing interesting ...

No doubt people can decide that for themselves.

Is Ben Williams the owner of awareofaware blog? He seems like a nice guy

Some avatars perfectly sum up their owners.

I note that a member has stuck up a link to Ben Williams blog. It doesn't bother me, but there's nothing interesting; it's just me with a general comment repeating myself and of course Raf declaring seizures cause NDE's (they don't but NDE's obviously may occur during seizures)  

The Greyson paper is interesting. I've seen it before several times. Their brains were functioning; are they really out of their bodies, or are they not? Who knows ?  Out of body experiences reported with functioning brains are of no interest to cutting edge researchers because it doesn't close off the brain as an explanation.

Out of body experiences are strange things. I had a few myself - but not recently. My brain wasn't damaged or compromised in any medical sense. But they were still deeply interesting. In one I found myself flying at near rooftop-height along a main road in Manchester. It looked entirely plausible, but there was nothing which could be used to verify whether it corresponded with reality or not. In another I was transported upwards from the surface of the Earth, not to mere orbiting height, but to somewhere far in the universe where none of our normal night sky was visible, there were stars and so on, but it was a vast distance from here. What i took from that experience wasn't the visual impression but rather the deep sense of the vastness of existence, in more than just a physical sense, there was something profound about it, a different sense of being.

But other people have reported various types of more controlled OBEs, with some degree of verifiable observation - though this is an intriguing area. I'd say when one has verified observations at a distance, it does rule out brain-based explanations, whether the brain is active or not. But this has all been covered before, it isn't the NDE topic, but the OBE topic.

One thing which does seem apparent in the OBE is that though the world may look just like this everyday one, when we are operating in the non-physical, there isn't necessarily any reason to expect the norms of this physical reality to apply. We know for example in an NDE how rapidly people can shift their location, their reality too, it seems there are many realities. I'm not entirely expecting this physical world to exert its primacy once one leaves the body. In the physical world we must play by physical rules. In the non-physical - do we know what rules apply? I often think the expectation that everything should be just as we see it here to be naive, perhaps more importantly, something we can't justify. We might hope or want the world to work the way we imagine, but maybe different rules apply?

I remember one NDE account where a person found themselves moving through the same house, the same building that they'd just left, but it was in a different time period, the curtains, the furniture, the decor, everything was from another time. That's just one small example of how the OBE component may surprise us. I really think that's just the tip of the iceberg.

....to declare that something that produces the impact this intense and profound is just a product of a seizure is so moronic, it doesn't really require any response. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHN0C2E2Cog

....to declare that something that produces the impact this intense and profound is just a product of a seizure is so moronic, it doesn't really require any response. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHN0C2E2Cog

I’ve nicked that vid and put it in the NDE category Enrique. 

Out of body experiences are strange things. I had a few myself - but not recently. My brain wasn't damaged or compromised in any medical sense. But they were still deeply interesting. In one I found myself flying at near rooftop-height along a main road in Manchester.

Are you from Manchester?

Are you from Manchester?

No, but I lived there for quite a few years, both as a student and working there too. At the time (in above post) I was living there.

Nottinghamshire is where I'm from, though I like the scenery over the border in Derbyshire better.

Why can't they? People could just gather informations through normal sensory means while in CA with brain activity going on, then their brains reconstruct the scene from those inputs.

The reason your getting push back especially from one particular member is simply for one overarching reason: people want to know there's a way to cheat death.

Yes I would definitely take into account Borjigin's study... and these bits I've snipped... not humans obviously, but there is no real reason to suggest that there isn't something similar going on in human brains..



And also consider CPR Induced Consciousness (CPRIC) which seems to be gaining attention...

https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=C...sciousness

Do you know of this bit of research? Tim always forgets it. https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-what-our-brain-does-after-death