Elysium Unveiled: A Visual Odyssey of Life Eternal by Jurgen Ziewe

A Visual Journey through the Afterlife with Hundreds of Breathtaking Illustration. A profound awakening experience triggered the ability to leave his body over a fifty-year period. Jurgen spent hundreds of hours in full waking consciousness in what is widely regarded as our Afterlife world. Sometimes, these experiences lasted several hours, allowing Jurgen to discover how this world is constructed. He met his deceased relatives, visited his past incarnations, and entered the depths of hell and the sublime regions of the Astral Heaven. He was trained to progress into the highest realms of cosmic consciousness by inner masters, and he kept reports of his experiences throughout, which he later published in two of his books. Jurgen has given talks at Universities and consciousness conventions about his experiences. He released dozens of videos and interviews on television. Being a successful commercial illustrator with a global client base and the most sophisticated tools of his trade made it only natural for him to add images to his fascinating written reports. This book is the offshoot and probably the only work that combines written reports of the afterlife with dramatic and captivating images, a first-of-its-kind, almost photorealistic renderings achieved with the help of Artificial Intelligence.

Elysium Unveiled: A Visual Odyssey of Life Eternal by Jurgen Ziewe

Bob Peterson has reviewed this book on his blog and he gave it a 5/5 rating:

I loved this book. Its short messages are deep and profound and its art is visually stunning. I give it one of my rare 5 star ratings. It's not only "deep" and thought-provoking, it's emotion-provoking.

https://obeoutlook.blogspot.com/2024/09/...eiled.html

So far I have only watched the pictures, and they do indeed look very good, but for me the most interesting part is near the end where he tells about the unity consciousness and "oneness". Unlike some authors, who consider losing one's individuality as some kind of a goal of spiritual evolution, Ziewe says that nothing could be further from truth. Although, according to him, each individual person is a part of the cosmic unity and thus "we are one", it doesn't mean that we "dissolve into an amorphous nothingness".

Page 158:

Every person we meet has their unique and individual aura. We are fully unfolded and self realised and rather than merging into perceived uniformity, the opposite takes place. We rise into our radiant self and for the first time are who we are meant to be all along: radiant divine beings. We are the Angels all religions talk about.

According to him the ego self consists of thoughts, emotions, ideas, vanity and self-importance. The ego, however, is not the real self, and shedding the ego identification does not mean losing one's individuality. In fact, when talking about the inhabitants of the purely spiritual regions, he specifically says that "None has surrendered their individuality."

Page 154:

Liberation means liberation because the whole kingdom of God will be ours to explore rather than dissolve into a Cosmic Soup or be devoured by an all-encompassing nothing Consciousness.

On that same page he also says that the endpoint (of spiritual evolution) "simply does not exist" and that "we have freedom of choice and can reside wherever we wish".

This might very well be the best spiritual book in my collection. Unlike some other authors, Ziewe is not ambiguous. On the contrary, he gives detailed and clear information about his experiences and what he has learned from them.

I don't find I like him much because to the best of my knowledge he has never once even attempted to falsify his experiences or do any other sort of experiment designed to filter what is true from what is just his own bias. It makes all of his work pointless to me until such time that he does so. If he has and i've just not heard of it yet, I'd be very interested to know what he did.

[Laird]

What do you mean by "falsify his experiences", @Mediochre? On a literal reading, that's oxymoronic: an experience simply is what it is, and cannot be falsified. On a more generous reading, you probably mean something more like "falsify the conclusions he's reached from his experiences". If so, which particular conclusions do you mean, and how do you think he could falsify them?

What do you mean by "falsify his experiences", @Mediochre? On a literal reading, that's oxymoronic: an experience simply is what it is, and cannot be falsified. On a more generous reading, you probably mean something more like "falsify the conclusions he's reached from his experiences". If so, which particular conclusions do you mean, and how do you think he could falsify them?

Yeah, I mean his conclusions. As to how, well as one example, he's claimed on multiple occassions to have met people at various parts of these astral levels. In such a vivid state it should be trivial to ask them for specific identifiable information and then go investigate back here to verify that he is indeed talking to real dead people.

I'd expect him to attempt to falsify all of his conclusions, I mean, I did. I ran experiments with shared dreams and whatnot with my former relationship and a few other people and learned a good deal about stuff. Disproved some ideas in the process. There's really no excuse these days for people not to be doing this with this stuff.

One of the things I learned via my experiments with projection, shared dreams, poltergeisting, and the intersection thereof, is that you can indeed just straight up walk up to someone, talk to them, get specific information that you can then verify outside of the projection. And though there are some caveats and whatnot, it wasn't 100% accurate all the time, there were more nuances to it that I learned needed to be refined. it's te type of thing I'd be expecting him to at least try rather than just believing his expiences.

But whenever I've heard Jurgen talk about his conclusions, he does so as if they're facts without anything to back it up. That makes me not see much value in anything he says.

[Laird]

Understood, and it makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

I don't find I like him much because to the best of my knowledge he has never once even attempted to falsify his experiences or do any other sort of experiment designed to filter what is true from what is just his own bias. It makes all of his work pointless to me until such time that he does so. If he has and i've just not heard of it yet, I'd be very interested to know what he did.

“It is worth pointing out that while getting more confident I sought ways of confirming the reality of these experiences. To do this I asked my brother in Germany to pin a word on his wall, which I would read when projecting to the house next time and then confirm it via phone. A few nights went buy and then I succeeded in leaving my body. As I projected into his room I was confused by the large number of notices stuck to his wall. I couldn’t focus clearly on many of them, but one stood out and it read:
“4 o’clock, Thursday, take car to MOT”
I phoned my brother the following day and he told that he had only pinned one word to the wall and it read simply “love”. However, he told me that he had a note in his diary to have his car checked in for an MOT that following Thursday, at 4 o’clock.”

https://www.multidimensionalman.com/Mult...ravel.html

I specifically posted this thread on the spirituality section because this book is not about psychical research or evidence. He just tells what he has learned from his experiences, and it is up to reader to decide whether to believe his stories or not. Personally I think that he is honest, and since I have had some 300 lucid dreams, I would consider anybody who confuses lucid dreaming with an astral travel a complete idiot. Even the most remarkable lucid dreams are just dreams, and that should be obvious to anybody who has experienced them. (This wasn't directed at you, I merely wanted to say that I don't consider Ziewe either a liar or a gullible fool).

I don't find I like him much because to the best of my knowledge he has never once even attempted to falsify his experiences or do any other sort of experiment designed to filter what is true from what is just his own bias. It makes all of his work pointless to me until such time that he does so. If he has and i've just not heard of it yet, I'd be very interested to know what he did.

I too have reservations about Ziewe's certainty (despite mostly a lack of veridical confirmation) that his intense subjective personal experiences of the apparent truths of the spiritual world and spiritual existence are the absolute truths of reality, as opposed to merely being subconsciously generated mental phenomena fueled by much reading and other exposure to various writings on the subject that have accumulated in our society over the years. 

However, in the absence of vivid actual personal experiences myself, I have studied the subject for a long time along with all the associated areas like the boatload of paranormal empirical evidence for an afterlife (including, prominently, NDEs and reincarnation evidence), for the existence of an immaterial human spirit merely temporarily inhabiting the physical body, and the strong philosophical and evidential arguments against materialism and scientism. This long-term study has mostly convinced me (say 99%) based solely on evidence and logic that  a spiritual realm exists of which we are the apparent real inhabitants regardless of the stark vivid immediacy and intensity of physical life on the Earth.

This very large body of evidence and philosophical logical argumentation does not address the total of Ziewe's experiences which include the transcendental, but to me mostly confirm the foundation of them. 

Of course, the skeptic can always claim that the mostly absence of independent investigation on his part of the veridicality of some of these experiences invalidates them as evidence of the truth of anything, but that argument completely ignores all the accompanying connecting and correlating evidences that I have outlined. 

Accordingly I am strongly inclined to provisionally accept Ziewe's accounts as true experiences of the truth of our existence, with only minor reservations. For me unfortunately, there must always remain a very small but niggling doubt, for absolute certainty is elusive in the absence of strong subjective personal experiences.

https://www.multidimensionalman.com/Mult...ravel.html

I specifically posted this thread on the spirituality section because this book is not about psychical research or evidence. He just tells what he has learned from his experiences, and it is up to reader to decide whether to believe his stories or not. Personally I think that he is honest, and since I have had some 300 lucid dreams, I would consider anybody who confuses lucid dreaming with an astral travel a complete idiot. Even the most remarkable lucid dreams are just dreams, and that should be obvious to anybody who has experienced them. (This wasn't directed at you, I merely wanted to say that I don't consider Ziewe either a liar or a gullible fool).

Hey look at that, he did try! Those results bring his perceptions into question of course so I'd hope he'd take that and then work on refining his perceptions to be more accurate before believing his own conclusions but it doesn't sound like that happened.

Quite a few years ago I had a discussion with Jurgen on a facebook group and I asked him if he could produce veridical information from his astral travels. At the time he said he couldn't. (I don't remember the exact words). I don't know if anything has changed since then.

While I don't rule out that his experiences are authentic, I also don't know what grounds there are for believing in them.

He also didn't seem to think that mediums, (who do provide veridical information) were reliable sources of information. 

Because of those issues I am not a really a believer / fan / follower of Jurgen. But like I said I don't rule out that his experiences are authentic, it just seems there are not grounds for believing them and his attitude toward spirit communication seems to me to be ignorant, in a way that someone with his experiences should not be.

I have not read his work extensively, what I have read I would say there is much in it that I think is true about the afterlife, but I didn't agree with everything he said or the way he said it. And I would not expect to agree with anyone 100%.

The best source of information about the afterlife, in my opinion, is here:
https://www.leslieflint.com

https://www.multidimensionalman.com/Mult...ravel.html

I specifically posted this thread on the spirituality section because this book is not about psychical research or evidence. He just tells what he has learned from his experiences, and it is up to reader to decide whether to believe his stories or not. Personally I think that he is honest, and since I have had some 300 lucid dreams, I would consider anybody who confuses lucid dreaming with an astral travel a complete idiot. Even the most remarkable lucid dreams are just dreams, and that should be obvious to anybody who has experienced them. (This wasn't directed at you, I merely wanted to say that I don't consider Ziewe either a liar or a gullible fool).

Why do you think Jurgen's experiences are not lucid dreams? How can you tell what he is experiencing? Is the fact that you don't think he is an idiot the only reason? If not, can you say why someone should believe his experiences are not lucid dreams?

I explain my views about Jurgen in my other post in this thread. 


Thanks