Do proponents have a harder time with horror entertainment?

What really disturbed me was how to him it seemed like the right thing to do, that killing himself and leaving his 2 year old daughter would benefit his family.

Psychedelics can bring up all sorts of twisted logic that we were previously not consciously aware of. The very difficult part is in disentangling these sorts of thought processes. Was he thinking of his family in that moment? The more important thing is what was driving him towards suicide?

In suicidal ideation, many think of those that would be left behind ~ rather than focusing on the real victim, the individual considering suicide. What got them to that point? Did the family notice the signs?

It would be different if it were a "bad trip" because that I think can - if survived - be a warning. 

 
I think that these are the trials we go through ~ if we pass the test, we come back stronger. If we fail... well...

But this was seen as an ultimately positive spiritual experience by the person, which really worries me as from the outside it seems like he got lucky his group found him before he offed himself.

Fully feeling one's emotions, and releasing them, are positive things, because those emotions have found conscious awareness, and have been acknowledged and accepted.

Perhaps the psychedelic meant for the group to find him before that happened... psychedelics can and do put the experiencer in very odd circumstances that are beyond chance ~ I've had some strange synchronicities around psychedelics, to be certain.

Perhaps the psychedelic meant for the group to find him before that happened... psychedelics can and do put the experiencer in very odd circumstances that are beyond chance ~ I've had some strange synchronicities around psychedelics, to be certain.

My worry is this sounds good in retrospect because things worked out.

But it is entirely possible that whatever the cause - supernatural or just a severe alteration of brain chemistry - that the group could find his corpse.

It seems to me he didn't want to dwell on this prospect, that his trust in psychedelics is at times severely misplaced. 

In general one thing I like about horror is that it does give people some caution with regard to the spirit world. I've talked to a lot of people about their supernatural experiences, as once people know they have a safe space where they won't be mocked they open up. I'd say the majority fall into the "Deep Weird" category, with a few being benevolent and a few being malevolent. 

While obviously anecdotal to me that matches up with my thinking. If humans can make good and bad choices, and be capable of great Evil...why not spirits? But the psychedelic experience in this case, if it involved any spirit, need not be Evil but just seeing things from a possible vantage point that to it feels valid. 

Which goes into something else, that even spirits that aren't actively Evil might have perspective that is quite different than our own. Even humans a mere century ago, let alone a few millennia before now, have perspectives that in some ways would be quite alien to ours. 

We shouldn't blindly trust the spirit world IMO.

OTOH, the thing I dislike about horror is that in can make people terrified of seeking the spirits or looking into their own Psi abilities. Horror can be quite reactionary toward the idea of individual spiritual development. Pretending there isn't a spirit world, or at least the possibility of one, IMO is like pretending ticks that carry Lyme don't exist while walking in the woods (of certain regions at least!).

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I don't think that this has got anything to do with my views on the paranormal, but I've never understand why I would consume horror. It's by definition, well, horrific. I'm not a masochist, so why would I intentionally subject myself to that? I can understand doing it once out of intellectual curiosity to see what it's like, but, having satisfied that curiosity, and confirming that, yes, the label fits, why continue tormenting oneself?

I can't relate to this that much given I'm not scared easily by anything on film, especially at my age. I like (good) horror movies, which are rare. But I think the pleasure on my part, especially young, was the experience of being scared but since a part of you knows it is not real (a movie), you navigate developing a control over those feelings. In the same way, when I was very young, and the thought of going downstairs in the basement without the lights on was frightening, I would deliberately do that. Part of it is experiencing a thrill (a bit like a roller coaster, where have you have a mixture of fright and exhilaration) and part of it this pleasure of self-mastery in becoming less frightened than you were initially, or overcoming that fear.

Now I don't know what motivates one child to do this, and another to avoid it. I know as a an even younger child, a toddler (age 3) I experienced trauma related to extreme fear (visiting my recently separated father, who suddenly was in a state of psychosis brought on by depression and threatening me and my mother with a knife), and I had consistent nightmares as young as age 5-6 (I remember in a similar way I would try to become lucid in the dream to "fight" and "overpower" the monster). So I may have been motivated by that in a complex way (e.g. re-experiencing the intrusion of sudden, unpredictable chaos in safe, predictable ordinary life, trying unconsciously to repeat it in order to process it).

I've read up on the psychology of horror movies and I remember reading that for some genres, like slasher films, some people enjoy them in a way akin to musicals: they are a series of patterned moments dotting the narrative (unusual, gory "kills" in lieu of song-and-dance moments) where people enjoy variation within something that is also predictable (both slasher films and musicals are very predictable in their form). It requires a certain level of detachment and enjoying thrills (how gory can this get? what unusual way will the "kill" sequence occur?). These movies I find are usually not very psychologically deep, and they induce more disgust and surprise (and possibly laughter) than actual fear. Stephen King once said if he cannot achieve terror, he will go for the secondary "gross-out".

I consider most horror films to be sensationalizing and misrepresneting the paranormal as far how they affect me being a proponent  I can't really tell although I think focusing to much attention on the "demonic" can produce some very negative effects

Sometimes people may complain that negative NDEs are not given sufficient attention, while the positive uplifting ones are given greater publicity. For me, this is my deliberate choice.

It's like being ill, being sick, it happens, but when I meet my friends it isn't what we talk about. It's a way of life, but also a choice. I have friends who always share their grievances and complaints about various people and events in their life. That's a choice too. One can have a life filled with constant complaints, but it isn't the only path. However things become habitual, well-trodden paths are where things move more freely and with less resistance.

Off-topic? I was making a comparison with the demonic or darker realms. Where one places one's attention matters. There is enough darkness in the world, I hear and see it every day in the news, I don't turn a blind eye. But this is more than sufficient. Horror? It is not an entertainment genre but an aspect of this physical reality, which passes people by, it is already too much to bear.

Sometimes people may complain that negative NDEs are not given sufficient attention, while the positive uplifting ones are given greater publicity. For me, this is my deliberate choice.

It's like being ill, being sick, it happens, but when I meet my friends it isn't what we talk about. It's a way of life, but also a choice. I have friends who always share their grievances and complaints about various people and events in their life. That's a choice too. One can have a life filled with constant complaints, but it isn't the only path. However things become habitual, well-trodden paths are where things move more freely and with less resistance.

Off-topic? I was making a comparison with the demonic or darker realms. Where one places one's attention matters. There is enough darkness in the world, I hear and see it every day in the news, I don't turn a blind eye. But this is more than sufficient. Horror? It is not an entertainment genre but an aspect of this physical reality, which passes people by, it is already too much to bear.

Going off topic a bit? I think understanding the nature of malevolence/psychopathy, which are extreme forms of narcissism, are imprtant to have some understanding of so as to be prepared to counteract those tendencies in oneself and others and develope wise healthy pro socialy benevolent inclinations and choices in ones actions. As those unwise tendencies exist in the material realms where forms of martial arts help one to be conscious of ones capacity for violence and to stuart those energies in a more benign way, methods of spiritual and psychic self defence seem prudent.  Maybe its about balace which one tries to achieve when  raising a child?

Sometimes people may complain that negative NDEs are not given sufficient attention, while the positive uplifting ones are given greater publicity. For me, this is my deliberate choice.

It's like being ill, being sick, it happens, but when I meet my friends it isn't what we talk about. It's a way of life, but also a choice. I have friends who always share their grievances and complaints about various people and events in their life. That's a choice too. One can have a life filled with constant complaints, but it isn't the only path. However things become habitual, well-trodden paths are where things move more freely and with less resistance.

Off-topic? I was making a comparison with the demonic or darker realms. Where one places one's attention matters. There is enough darkness in the world, I hear and see it every day in the news, I don't turn a blind eye. But this is more than sufficient. Horror? It is not an entertainment genre but an aspect of this physical reality, which passes people by, it is already too much to bear.

I don't think this is off-topic, and appreciated the post. 

For myself I think there's a difference in larger scholarship questions and what we might focus our personal attention on. I am someone who thinks distressing NDEs are not given enough attention, however I also don't spend my time looking for NDEs with gruesome depictions of Hells. 

I also find myself not wanting to watch much horror that depicts the evils that humans can do to each other, because as you say just watching the news seems to give enough of that. 

I suspect what entertainment we enjoy may tie into our experiences not just in this life but past lives, as well as what kind of realities those past lives took place in. And perhaps we live out whole lives in a dream, remembering few to no details but having been changed more than realize.