Aware II results

AWARE II results - presentation

Dr. Sam Parnia's presenting an overview of the AWARE-II study findings at the 2022 American Heart Association Resuscitation Science Symposium (ReSS) on November 6th, 2022

AWAreness during REsuscitation (AWARE)-II American Heart Association Symposium Presentation

sure doesn't sound like Parnia's been persuaded to lean into materialistic reasoning:

Hi, I don't know if you are a sceptic (in the broadest sense of the word) or a proponent, Will, but you must be aware of all the fuss about the brain waves they discovered in some patients during resuscitation. What the sceptics are forgetting here (which they need to bear in mind) is that as the medics are obviously trying to revive these people, there are bound to be some brainwaves appearing when they are forcing blood back up into their heads. However, brainwaves do not necessarily equal NDE. I've got brain waves now and I've had them all my life but no NDE.

AWARE II results - presentation

AWAreness during REsuscitation (AWARE)-II American Heart Association Symposium Presentation

Hey Typoz,

I quickly browsed the presentations powerpoint, but didn't quite get time to really grok the conclusion. 

Would you be able to summarise quickly what Dr Parnia found?

Hey Typoz,

I quickly browsed the presentations powerpoint, but didn't quite get time to really grok the conclusion. 

Would you be able to summarise quickly what Dr Parnia found?

In this case I'm just the messenger-boy, I don't have any brief summary. But I watched the video several times, I think it needs expanding and more details (to fit my slow rate of understanding). Some of those individual slides were each a highly-condensed representation of a lot of information.

Hi, I don't know if you are a sceptic (in the broadest sense of the word) or a proponent, Will, but you must be aware of all the fuss about the brain waves they discovered in some patients during resuscitation. What the sceptics are forgetting here (which they need to bear in mind) is that as the medics are obviously trying to revive these people, there are bound to be some brainwaves appearing when they are forcing blood back up into their heads. However, brainwaves do not necessarily equal NDE. I've got brain waves now and I've had them all my life but no NDE.

Agnostic, even with the back-and-forth on that and related questions.

Hey Typoz,

I quickly browsed the presentations powerpoint, but didn't quite get time to really grok the conclusion. 

Would you be able to summarise quickly what Dr Parnia found?

Hi, the only official  'conclusion' that Parnia and his colleagues have come to, is that these experiences are not hallucinations, illusions, delusions or tricks of dying brains, but a real experience that occurs when the patient is actually dead. If you think about it, that's pretty conclusive, but it won't be of course, because they (you know who they are) won't accept it.

I was having a discussion with a sceptic in a comments section who was making all kinds of silly statements (politely) and I'd pretty much got him 'cornered'. However, he then reverted to his 'trump card', making a case for extremely low level brain activity, completely undetectable on the EEG, occurring possibly in the hippocampus and this could be enough to produce the experiences described he said. Magical, almost, but that made him happy and he wished me well in my folly. What can you do.

Hi, the only official  'conclusion' that Parnia and his colleagues have come to, is that these experiences are not hallucinations, illusions, delusions or tricks of dying brains, but a real experience that occurs when the patient is actually dead. If you think about it, that's pretty conclusive, but it won't be of course, because they (you know who they are) won't accept it.

I was having a discussion with a sceptic in a comments section who was making all kinds of silly statements (politely) and I'd pretty much got him 'cornered'. However, he then reverted to his 'trump card', making a case for extremely low level brain activity, completely undetectable on the EEG, occurring possibly in the hippocampus and this could be enough to produce the experiences described he said. Magical, almost, but that made him happy and he wished me well in my folly. What can you do.

Hi Tim,

The problem is that the statement you make here is clearly false. In Sam Parnia's AHA presentation of the Aware 2 results he clearly states that there are "Electrocordical markers suggestive of of lucid consciousness" and "EEG spikes".

There are also experiments on lab animals done by other researchers that measures a detectable voltage in the brain for quite a while after blood circulation is stopped.

/Steen

The problem is that the statement you make here is clearly false.

Hi, Steen ! Could you be more precise and bold out the statement you believe to be false?

Hi, Steen ! Could you be more precise and bold out the statement you believe to be false?

Hi Tim, I'm reacting to this statement: "However, he then reverted to his 'trump card', making a case for extremely low level brain activity, completely undetectable on the EEG, occurring possibly in the hippocampus and this could be enough to produce the experiences described he said."

But now when I read it again it occurs to me that you are actually citing this sceptic. English is not my native language, sorry for the misunderstanding.