(2024-11-20, 06:55 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: Let's look at some actual case data in a little detail. A good rule is that actual evidence trumps theory every time. The following is the beginning of Pam Reynolds' NDE OBE in her own words. It is unequevocal that her direct experience was of literally separating from and leaving her physical body (which she was evidently previously "inhabiting") to then temporarily remain in the physical world, float above her body and observe it and the physicians working on it, followed sometimes by travel through some sort of tunnel into a spiritual realm, only to return. There are many other cases of veridical NDE OBEs like it, although Reynolds' is especially detailed and complete. The experiences speak for themselves of the immaterial human spirit and consciousness manifesting in the physical world via inhabiting and somehow interacting with the physical body especially the brain, and then under extraordinary circumstances usually of trauma, leaving the body as some sort of mobile center of consciousness. Such experiences with confirmatory veridical features are a direct demonstration of the interactional Dualist theory of mind.I think this gets to the heart of what I am saying. Science simply has to be pragmatic, otherwise it is worthless. The evidence is, as you say, emphatically in favour of Dualism, so that is the model science should settle on for the time being. Monism is a contrivance, which again might have some truth from God's perspective, but unless God has joined this forum at some point, we have to reason from where we are in time.
From Rivas, Titus; Dirven, Anny; Smit, Rudolf. The Self Does Not Die: Verified Paranormal Phenomena from Near-Death Experiences (p. 152). International Association for Near-Death Studies Kindle edition:
You only have to read books like "Irreducible Mind" to realise that while there is a mass of evidence needing explaining, many scientists talk as if there was no such evidence!
David