Is the human self nonexistent?

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(2022-10-02, 02:17 PM)Typoz Wrote: Personally, and this is just an opinion, I would decline to use terminology such as "these beings" and "blame". I see that it is an attempt to understand suffering in this world, and to accuse someone somewhere of causing it is convenient. The real problem I have with such ideas is the way they position us all as victims. I'm not willing to cast myself in the role of victim, it doesn't help me in my daily existence to so so. Somewhere there has to be a more positive role for humans, a better way for each of us to look at ourselves and our relationship with everything else.

The more positive self-description is something that could be worthwhile to seek. As someone said a long time ago, rolling in the mud is not the best way to get clean. I'll add that the latter phrase is something I've considered when looking at myself.

Some being or beings of exceedingly high intelligence and power must have created this system. As ID theorists and scientists have found in their research, it is impossible that the extremely great amounts of intricate interacting functional complex specified information (FCSI) comprising our physical reality (including the laws of physics fine tuned for life, the origin of DNA and of life itself, and human beings themselves) could have come about through the random and meaningless fluctuations and motions of matter and energy. Intelligence of some sort is the ultimate creator of our reality. Certainly not the blind, meaningless and purposeless machinery of random variation + natural selection that comprises the modern secular religion of Darwinism.

Therefore, this Intelligence, whatever it is or they are, must be and is responsible for our existence in our present very imperfect and suffering state. As Harry Truman said, the buck stops here (at His or Their desk(s)).
(This post was last modified: 2022-10-03, 12:16 AM by nbtruthman. Edited 2 times in total.)
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Is the human self nonexistent? - by nbtruthman - 2022-09-02, 04:38 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-02, 07:09 PM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Typoz - 2022-09-04, 01:54 PM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Typoz - 2022-09-04, 02:40 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Typoz - 2022-09-04, 08:31 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Durward - 2022-09-03, 04:57 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Raimo - 2022-09-03, 12:37 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-03, 01:09 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Raimo - 2022-09-03, 07:59 PM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-03, 04:03 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Valmar - 2022-09-06, 12:21 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by tim - 2022-09-03, 10:53 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-04, 02:54 PM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-05, 12:49 AM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-06, 03:33 PM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Valmar - 2022-09-06, 12:33 PM
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