Is the human self nonexistent?

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(2022-10-01, 06:28 PM)Ninshub Wrote: nbtruthman Wrote:  [url=https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-is-the-human-self-nonexistent?pid=49314#pid49314][/url]The big question is whether this soul perspective is morally or ethically or otherwise humanly justified given that it is the human that does the suffering, that has to climb into the trenches and get shot up and mutilated, etc., so to speak.

Is a body without a soul, human, though? If we are the soul (and I accept that personally) then the many bodies we've occupied and will occupy are little more than complex machines that we take custody of and operate for a period of time. Of course we are bound together with the body (or our bodies and become completely accustomed to recognising it as us, me. 

But when the soul/consciousness exits the body, it often pities it, as nbtruthman is alluding to above, but there appears to be little real anxiety for it's welfare, ultimately. We've all read the accounts, this is more or less what they say.

Just to add, I don't think we should live our lives thinking that we are not the body and more to the point, we can't live like that. When the journey is coming to an end, surely only then can we start to disregard it. Hope that doesn't sound patronising, apologies if it does.
(This post was last modified: 2022-10-01, 07:04 PM by tim. Edited 3 times in total.)
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Is the human self nonexistent? - by nbtruthman - 2022-09-02, 04:38 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-02, 07:09 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-03, 12:25 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Typoz - 2022-09-04, 01:54 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-04, 02:17 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Typoz - 2022-09-04, 02:40 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Typoz - 2022-09-04, 08:31 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Durward - 2022-09-03, 04:57 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Raimo - 2022-09-03, 12:37 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-03, 01:09 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Raimo - 2022-09-03, 07:59 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-03, 02:08 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-03, 04:03 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Valmar - 2022-09-06, 12:21 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by tim - 2022-09-03, 10:53 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-04, 02:54 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-04, 05:08 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-05, 12:49 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-05, 04:44 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-05, 11:54 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-05, 09:22 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-06, 09:28 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-06, 03:33 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-06, 03:52 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Valmar - 2022-09-06, 12:33 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-04, 03:02 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-04, 03:51 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-04, 03:56 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-04, 04:01 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Durward - 2022-09-04, 04:54 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-04, 05:05 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-04, 05:15 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-04, 05:30 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-04, 05:41 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by stephenw - 2022-09-06, 08:53 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-04, 05:10 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-04, 06:23 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-04, 06:36 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-04, 06:40 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Durward - 2022-09-04, 06:49 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-04, 06:38 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-04, 06:46 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-05, 12:44 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Durward - 2022-09-05, 11:41 AM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-05, 11:22 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Durward - 2022-09-05, 06:32 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-06, 09:49 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-06, 10:26 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by tim - 2022-09-06, 11:50 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-06, 12:15 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by tim - 2022-09-06, 12:27 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-06, 02:11 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-06, 03:30 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-07, 05:46 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-06, 03:44 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-07, 05:18 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-06, 04:49 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-07, 02:30 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by stephenw - 2022-09-07, 07:42 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-07, 03:07 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-07, 11:50 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-08, 02:26 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-08, 03:17 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-08, 01:19 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-10-01, 06:47 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-08, 03:55 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-08, 04:02 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-08, 01:56 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-08, 02:24 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-09, 01:10 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Durward - 2022-09-09, 06:12 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-09, 08:23 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-09, 09:21 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-09, 11:14 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-09, 11:37 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-10, 12:13 AM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-10, 12:19 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-10, 12:37 AM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-10, 07:13 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-10, 07:41 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-21, 03:01 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-21, 03:23 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-21, 03:36 AM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-21, 12:37 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by tim - 2022-09-21, 09:19 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-21, 02:48 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-22, 02:17 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Valmar - 2022-09-22, 08:18 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-22, 12:59 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Silence - 2022-09-22, 02:29 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-22, 02:58 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Silence - 2022-09-22, 05:56 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-22, 06:56 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by stephenw - 2022-09-22, 08:28 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-22, 05:17 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-22, 04:02 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-22, 09:51 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-22, 11:47 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-23, 01:47 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Valmar - 2022-09-22, 08:34 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-21, 02:54 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by stephenw - 2022-09-21, 07:21 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-21, 05:12 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Typoz - 2022-09-22, 09:20 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-22, 08:58 PM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Laird - 2022-09-23, 01:27 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-25, 02:35 PM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-09-27, 01:50 PM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-10-01, 06:28 PM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by tim - 2022-10-01, 10:42 AM
RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by Ninshub - 2022-10-01, 02:25 PM
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RE: Is the human self nonexistent? - by tim - 2022-10-01, 06:37 PM
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