Btw, anyone who suffers with uninvited telepathic communication understands the purpose of "self"...
Intrusions in your functionality, emotions, and thoughts can disrupt your ability to do so many things that require your focus and attention. They also insert things into your daily processes and steer them, enslaving you to driving forces while you have no control. Self is control over your space, your own emotions, your own thoughts, etc.
The individual, self in this case, would become like a leaf being pushed around by the wind if it were not for this personal sphere.
Without borders, you become a slave to the whims and horrible thoughts and desires of those around you. You blend with other things and animals and become prey for predators very quickly.
There are many reasons why we have the self, and the ego. Try driving a car when you are looking through multiple other eyes.
Do we really exist is a rather silly question to me, since we obviously do, and are discussing this.
This current self has nothing to do with other time or space relations or dimensions, or whether other parts of the human condition exist here or there.
If we are not experiencing them in our current condition, with our current ego, they might as well not exist to us.
As long as we interact with each other, dream dimension or not, it becomes real and shared. Wander around thinking the world is not real or self isn't limited, soul is all that matters, and get hit by a truck or eaten by a bear. That experience should make everyone snap back to reality, with suffering and pain, followed by death and likely recycling. The philosophy portion won't change that this type of experience sucks and is undesireable, which is the basics of having a self and self preservation in this time and space.
I don't think we can stand in this vantage point in space and time, with our ego, and even comprehend things with these tools (sensory or brain) that are not designed for comprehending other time and space things. The ego self is locked into this space for a good reasons, mainly protection and function.
I do think we have to use the appropriate 'version' of our total being to examine other aspects of our existence.
A soul would examine the soul and be able to comprehend and analyze "soul"...
Soul likely doesn't experience as much of real world ego self as we think, being foreign to the time and space.
Since, as soon as you step into this time and space, you are then in this frequency and that lowers you to the physical, so it would cross and become what it is trying to observe, losing "soul" quality.
Where examination and observation might have overlapping or transparent onion skin qualities. These are not clear in that sense, because it is so different, time and space are different, thus dimension is different.
The view from ego self is thus likely limited to ego self.
Ego self likely has memories and space / time relationships that die off partly or entirely when this body dies. It has to grow back in the next incarnation, and likely in a completely new format, so a fresh ego over and over. A fresh ego that is likely only vaguely or transparently aware of other time and space versions of self, or not at all, becoming completely emerged in the present, and spending all of the energy on maintaining that focus in constant concentration.
Where if memory or experience is passed to other areas of our "total being" from the ego, maybe it survives this physical. Not saying that it survives a possible other death of another version of self. How deep do those Russian dolls go?
I would then imagine that whatever bits and pieces that are passed to any surviving self from the ego might present when the next ego bubble forms, since they belong to this time and space relationship.
It is likely that we are parts of a larger whole, and that we are like actors on a stage or puppets we control.
It is likely we might have a soul or multiple shells of souls.
It is likely that we can be living in multiple bodies at the same time.
Many things are likely.
Not much of any of that can be proven, yet...
We can see the ripples of evidence in the waters of reality, giving us clues.
Intrusions in your functionality, emotions, and thoughts can disrupt your ability to do so many things that require your focus and attention. They also insert things into your daily processes and steer them, enslaving you to driving forces while you have no control. Self is control over your space, your own emotions, your own thoughts, etc.
The individual, self in this case, would become like a leaf being pushed around by the wind if it were not for this personal sphere.
Without borders, you become a slave to the whims and horrible thoughts and desires of those around you. You blend with other things and animals and become prey for predators very quickly.
There are many reasons why we have the self, and the ego. Try driving a car when you are looking through multiple other eyes.
Do we really exist is a rather silly question to me, since we obviously do, and are discussing this.
This current self has nothing to do with other time or space relations or dimensions, or whether other parts of the human condition exist here or there.
If we are not experiencing them in our current condition, with our current ego, they might as well not exist to us.
As long as we interact with each other, dream dimension or not, it becomes real and shared. Wander around thinking the world is not real or self isn't limited, soul is all that matters, and get hit by a truck or eaten by a bear. That experience should make everyone snap back to reality, with suffering and pain, followed by death and likely recycling. The philosophy portion won't change that this type of experience sucks and is undesireable, which is the basics of having a self and self preservation in this time and space.
I don't think we can stand in this vantage point in space and time, with our ego, and even comprehend things with these tools (sensory or brain) that are not designed for comprehending other time and space things. The ego self is locked into this space for a good reasons, mainly protection and function.
I do think we have to use the appropriate 'version' of our total being to examine other aspects of our existence.
A soul would examine the soul and be able to comprehend and analyze "soul"...
Soul likely doesn't experience as much of real world ego self as we think, being foreign to the time and space.
Since, as soon as you step into this time and space, you are then in this frequency and that lowers you to the physical, so it would cross and become what it is trying to observe, losing "soul" quality.
Where examination and observation might have overlapping or transparent onion skin qualities. These are not clear in that sense, because it is so different, time and space are different, thus dimension is different.
The view from ego self is thus likely limited to ego self.
Ego self likely has memories and space / time relationships that die off partly or entirely when this body dies. It has to grow back in the next incarnation, and likely in a completely new format, so a fresh ego over and over. A fresh ego that is likely only vaguely or transparently aware of other time and space versions of self, or not at all, becoming completely emerged in the present, and spending all of the energy on maintaining that focus in constant concentration.
Where if memory or experience is passed to other areas of our "total being" from the ego, maybe it survives this physical. Not saying that it survives a possible other death of another version of self. How deep do those Russian dolls go?
I would then imagine that whatever bits and pieces that are passed to any surviving self from the ego might present when the next ego bubble forms, since they belong to this time and space relationship.
It is likely that we are parts of a larger whole, and that we are like actors on a stage or puppets we control.
It is likely we might have a soul or multiple shells of souls.
It is likely that we can be living in multiple bodies at the same time.
Many things are likely.
Not much of any of that can be proven, yet...
We can see the ripples of evidence in the waters of reality, giving us clues.