We are not nearly as determined by our genes as once thought.

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(2019-01-09, 07:44 PM)stephenw Wrote: Two people are on a damaged boat in a storm.  One individual pulls out a plastic package about the size of a bread box (are they real in modern days?) and declares an escape from the boat.  The other person responds with, " I don't see how a small volume object like that will support the two of us?"

Of course when triggered, the inflatable raft quickly expands to many times its initial size.  All the extra "size" was there as gases in the ambient environment.

Unfortunately, your example actually exemplifies my point that the construction information for living organisms must be stored somewhere in the first cell of an organism's development. All the information describing and specifying the resulting final inflated lifesaving raft is indeed entirely contained within the breadbox sized container of the folded up inflatable raft and the tank of compressed air, in the form of their fine and larger scale structure including chemical composition. The final form of the lifesaving inflated raft is entirely predictable from the information contained in the original box. This design information doesn't originate from the environment (except in the sense that the design performance requirements themselves were derived by an agent in part from the properties of seawater and storm waves).

Quote: An organism is always in a sea of information (infosphere).  Organisms make their information larger during development by constant exploration and acquisition.

These instinctual responses anticipate the functionality of biological processes.  Living things aren't linearly executed programs --- they are massive consumers of negative entropy found everywhere in their external and internal environments.

This still begs the question of where exactly did all the information for the development from the first cell to the embryo to the final animal containing hundreds of millions of specialized cells in a massive system of subsystems actually came from. This is generalizations. The "sea of information" is coded how in what substrate? What exactly is it that does this constant exploration and acquisition and consumption? The very terms imply some sort of agents or entities.  

The very intricate irreducibly complex construction design required some sort of originating process which seems to have incorporated some form of creative intelligence. What is this and if it is the cells or organisms themselves how exactly did they come to somehow produce this massive amount of complex specified information? How can something invent itself (not including the discredited blind neo-Darwinistic process)? 

This sort of concept doesn't seem to me to itself contain much information.
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RE: We are not nearly as determined by our genes as once thought. - by nbtruthman - 2019-01-10, 11:05 AM

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