Psience Quest

(2023-12-10, 03:11 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ](orbs) I tend to agree, Typoz ! I don't rule it out but I suspect many people are fooling themselves. Maybe I should remove the video and just leave the link to the children's NDE's up. That's a real experience, whether or not it's an experience of something else. Hence scientific.

Well, I don't think there's a need to remove it. I liked the video, he did have an NDE and that part was profound. Later on, some of the things he says I liked and agree with, but other areas are just things he's read or picked up from other videos, he's not only talking about his NDE, it's a bit of a modern new-age (Brian might appreciate this) set of ideas, a kind of dogma which is starting to crystallise and harden.

My personal opinion is that NDEs are great at breaking through ideas which are just taken for granted. They are not so good when used to prop up a new set of ideas which begin to be taken for granted. I think I said this before, some time ago, these things need to be rediscovered, new and interesting, not dull repetition of something from someone else.

(2023-12-10, 04:34 PM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]it's a bit of a modern new-age (Brian might appreciate this) set of ideas, a kind of dogma which is starting to crystallise and harden.

Yes, one could certainly argue that ! 

Talking of orbs showing up, this video played automatically after another one I was watching. I would have normally clicked it off immeditately as being probably nonsense and if it wasn't well I didn't need to know, anyway. But when I saw the woman (a lawyer) I knew instantly it was worth watching. Don't ask me how I knew lol (bias probably)

Anyway this woman's husband died and began to make himself lively. She wasn't convinced until he gave her some ...what appears anyway to me (maybe I'm being naive) to be bordering on proof which maybe you (or someone else) could give your/their judgement on (whats app etc is it or isn't it possible?) I'm assuming she's honest, BTW so that's the first variable out of the way.  It's defintely worth a watch !

Woman's Husband Dies And Communicates With Her Secrets From The Other Side (youtube.com)

This is an excellent interview with Dr Michael Sabom, who collected some of the most striking data ever, in his (the first ever 1976—1981) prospective study of near death experience.  The interviewer does a very good job of "setting up" the pertinent issues for Sabom, who goes on to deal with them quite precisely. 

Many who believe themselves to be justifiably sceptical of the out of body, near death experience, are actually unaware how remarkably evidential this study was. Not only was it  conducted when most people knew nothing or very little about the subject,  it also presented the first ever prospectively collected veridical out of body experiences (from his patients during their cardiac arrests), who could have had no brain function at the time and very little idea (due to the relative 'newness' of cardiopulmonary resuscitation)  how to retrospectively reconstruct those events as some kind of post resuscitation delusion.

Naturally the Pam Reynolds case is discussed and even more interesting to me, some of Gerald Woerlee's "explanations" (about 26.00) which Sabom regards as absurd, although he does refer to Woerlee as a nice guy. My personal opinion on this is that Dr Woerlee may be affable (even quite charming) but I do not believe his intentions, including his opinions on the case were ever honest or even remotely plausible. Others may disagree, of course. 

A Doctor’s Fascinating Investigation of Near-Death Experiences (ft. Dr. Michael Sabom) (youtube.com)