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(2023-12-01, 06:18 PM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]It is always a tightrope he is walking

I think he deserves tremendous credit for actually doing it. Also, French and Blackmore, who I don't particularly think have helped matters much, did at least give their approval. Parnia went to see her at her cottage, apparently. Some other quite vocal sceptics didn't want it to happen, stating that it would be an infringement on the patient's care and more to the point, a waste of time.
(2023-12-02, 03:20 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]I think he deserves tremendous credit for actually doing it. Also, French and Blackmore, who I don't particularly think have helped matters much, did at least give their approval. Parnia went to see her at her cottage, apparently. Some other quite vocal sceptics didn't want it to happen, stating that it would be an infringement on the patient's care and more to the point, a waste of time.

That's interesting. I'd not heard about the French and Blackmore involvement. If there an article to read anywhere please?
(2023-12-02, 03:38 PM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]That's interesting. I'd not heard about the French and Blackmore involvement. If there an article to read anywhere please?

There's an article in which French lays out why he wants the tests doing, but I can't remember where it is. As to Blackmore, she just told me personally in an email (about Parnia going to see her). I think she also said in another article that she wanted the tests (experiment) doing.
Graeme O'Connor is a children's doctor (paediatrician of course) at Great Ormond Street hospital, in London. More than a decade and a half ago, during a night out (trying to forget about his anxiety issues/various problems), he had an unusual NDE when his heart stopped in a nightclub/bar, due to an error in mixing alcohol with special K (Ketamine I think it was likely to be but not sure). 

The near death experience of Graeme O'Connor - YouTube

In this video he describes the various powerful events he experienced, it's impact on him and later into the video how it has led him to make some really big changes in his life (he's now vegetarian for example). Although the NDE is interesting, what he said after it was even more interesting to me. He's just published a pilot study into children's NDE's and is/will be expanding into a much larger investigation. 

This small study replicates Morse's and they (the two researchers) have been careful not to "put words" into the children's mouths. I was aware of this NDE quite a while ago but I wasn't sure what to make of it. I wondered if he was a bit off the wall/rails and therefore not to be trusted (in his report) but I realise that was incorrect and he seems to be a very nice, decent chap (Doctor). Make of it what you will, anyway.  He certainly deserves great credit for undertaking such a study (children's NDE's) as it's really pushing the boundaries in an institution like that, I would have thought. 

 Exploring near death experiences with children post intensive care: A case series - ScienceDirect
(2023-12-08, 10:49 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]Graeme O'Connor is a children's doctor (paediatrician of course) at Great Ormond Street hospital, in London. More than a decade and a half ago, during a night out (trying to forget about his anxiety issues/various problems), he had an unusual NDE when his heart stopped in a nightclub/bar, due to an error in mixing alcohol with special K (Ketamine I think it was likely to be but not sure). 


Seems he had an NDE-like experience. There are some very muddled-up ideas in that interview, particularly during the 2nd half, which I found quite difficult to listen too.
(2023-12-09, 10:33 AM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Seems he had an NDE-like experience.

I contacted him and he told me his heart had defintely stopped (one of his doctor friends was pushing on him etc). Unless he's lying or his friend is mistaken, don't we have to take his word in good 'faith'. Of course you don't have to accept it, you can remain sceptical. 

(2023-12-09, 10:33 AM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]There are some very muddled-up ideas in that interview, particularly during the 2nd half, which I found quite difficult to listen too.
  
That's interesting, Max. Could you be specific ?
(2023-12-09, 03:45 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]I contacted him and he told me his heart had defintely stopped (one of his doctor friends was pushing on him etc). Unless he's lying or his friend is mistaken, don't we have to take his word in good 'faith'. Of course you don't have to accept it, you can remain sceptical. 

  
That's interesting, Max. Could you be specific ?

These sorts of muddled comments...

On children who have died... "I, 100% know where their energies are going to"

"Religion definitely has a role here"

"If we all knew that we were the sun why would we get up... ... through that veil... ... all those human emotions that keep you here"

living in past, living in future... just live in the now... if we can just take life less seriously... Psilocybin... new drug, just completely changes their outlook on their whole life...

...and knowing that life is just a game, and we are only here to experience as many human emotions as possible... so we can grow emotionally... and our souls can grow....

I take much more risks... just do it... because life is just a game...

just shut the brain down... walking meditation... often it's a very negative narrative that goes on in peoples minds...

Just listing to the birds in a tree... I can get that higher consciousness... and connect again to that beautiful source of energy, and just not taking life seriously at all...

I've been a vegetarian now for 16 years

Before my NDE... I was a devout atheist

We all have a soul family

the turmoil you've had days or weeks after an altercation... it's just not worth doing...

power prayer, I 100% believe in now...
If you would like me to address every one of those points you've lined up there, I will, Max, no problem. Listening to it all (the second half) taking the points you've highlighted (as well of course), he is allowed as a doctor to express himself esoterically/mystically one might say (can't think of the damned term now)  as long as he makes it clear (which I think he does) that it's his personal belief based on his personal experience. 

He can't start talking like this on the ward, though. If he does, he'll quickly lose his job.
(2023-12-08, 10:49 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]Graeme O'Connor is a children's doctor (paediatrician of course) at Great Ormond Street hospital, in London. More than a decade and a half ago, during a night out (trying to forget about his anxiety issues/various problems), he had an unusual NDE when his heart stopped in a nightclub/bar, due to an error in mixing alcohol with special K (Ketamine I think it was likely to be but not sure). 

I've listened to this video several times, I found it both down-to-earth and straightforward as well as containing some uplifting spiritual insights.

The research into children's NDEs is promising in one major respect: children are far more likely to survive cardiac arrest and be in relatively good health afterwards (depending on what other medical complications there may be). That increases the numbers of experiences possibly able to be studied. But there are many difficulties: being a child of any age can be an extremely vulnerable part of life and adults don't always know best how to do what is right. Difficult territory.

Edit: I mentioned I'd listened to the video - my usual habit is to have the sound on while I'm doing something else such as cooking or eating. Now I've got round to watching it I paid more attention to his comments on 'orb actions' (at about 16 minutes).

Sorry, my opinion is that it's nonsense. Just ordinary photographic artefacts caused by dust or fluff or a tiny insect drifting by. Whenever I look at a photo or video showing these effects, I ask the question: where is the light source? Light is the key factor. In this case there seems to be a candle, but is that the only place where light is coming from? It looks to me as though there is a ceiling light, probably a very nearby and intense source of light illuminating the table. Anything passing through that beam of light could be rendered highly visible. The wide-angle lens of the phone camera gives immense depth of field so the artefact which would usually be too blurry to see, is a just-out-of-focus tiny something, passing just in front of the lens.

Sorry, I just get irritated by this stuff, it is misleading people, maybe not wilfully but certainly with too much emphasis placed on the mundane and trivial. A speck of dust - oh, look it's my deceased friend - no it isn't.

What I try to say to people, to let them down more gently is that people may see pictures in the fire or images in a cloud formation, it's fine, there can possibly be some significance. So in that sense, an artefact on an image might convey something. But these blobs are just too plentiful, it's as if every time we see a cloud or a naked flame we start claiming it's the dead come back to visit us. What I'm saying, I think is that it devalues and distracts attention away from the more unusual and striking phenomena, the things which keep us pondering for years.

On the other hand, a little later he talks about seeing an apparition of a man - he described his appearance, top hat on, 6-foot tall, blond hair etc. Now that is interesting. That's what I mean about not getting distracted by trivia, there are significant things which deserve attention such as this apparition.
(2023-12-10, 10:59 AM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, my opinion is that it's nonsense.

(orbs) I tend to agree, Typoz ! I don't rule it out but I suspect many people are fooling themselves. Maybe I should remove the video and just leave the link to the children's NDE's up. That's a real experience, whether or not it's an experience of something else. Hence scientific.
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