UFO crash retrieval appears to be absolutely real

I think these UFO claims are a cheap way to get 10 minutes of fame in the news. All contemporary ufo claims originate from the US which is another indication that this is cultural phenomena. There are no spanish newspapers writing about any ufo claims in recent time for example.

I'd say it's more complex than that. US also has a bigger military industrial complex, arguably unrivaled by any other nation in the last decades in terms of size, continuity, budget, etc.

So it does make a sort of sense that the larger scale just, on the balance, produces more whistleblowers.

What will make the difference is if we see some good evidence.

I'd say it's more complex than that. US also has a bigger military industrial complex, arguably unrivaled by any other nation in the last decades in terms of size, continuity, budget, etc.

So it does make a sort of sense that the larger scale just, on the balance, produces more whistleblowers.

What will make the difference is if we see some good evidence.

A ufo crash would be more likely to happen outside the US than within simply by comparing area of land. It’s a cultural phenomena that originated with Roswell and Area 51 in 1947. Very much like we only celebrate santa claus in parts of the world.

A ufo crash would be more likely to happen outside the US than within simply by comparing area of land. It’s a cultural phenomena that originated with Roswell and Area 51 in 1947. Very much like we only celebrate santa claus in parts of the world.

There are sightings and crash claims beyond the US borders?

As I said I'm not going to be convinced there are vehicles unless there is hard proof, but I see no reason to simply dismiss the entire question a priori.

A ufo crash would be more likely to happen outside the US than within simply by comparing area of land. It’s a cultural phenomena that originated with Roswell and Area 51 in 1947. Very much like we only celebrate santa claus in parts of the world.

I'm myself skeptical about intelligent life out of Earth in general but I'm sure if you research well some countries have more detailed stories, such as in mine with some incidents involving the military that date back to a few years after Roswell.

we're so, so, easy to influence

we're so, so, easy to influence

Do you think this whole Grusch thing is a distraction of some sort?

Do you think this whole Grusch thing is a distraction of some sort?

Back in post #3 of this thread, I suggested an explanatory option 2 that started with the premises that there are absolutely no crashed saucers or alien debris, and that despite this there have been multiple black programs in the intelligence community dedicated to finding and exploiting these alien artifacts.

The theory amounted to there being a great deception carried out for years by various elements of the black program intelligence community, to promote paranoia about alien interference (despite there being absolutely no real physical evidence of any crashed UFO vehicles and/or bodies). This successful effort would have been motivated by greed for profit, knowing that such black programs established to exploit these "crashed UFOs" have little accountability, and the beyond top secret black compartmented classification would prevent any successful investigation.

Evidence for this option would include the observation that there are apparently a lot of intelligence personnel from black programs who have been backing up Grusch's story. This would be expected per this last theory. They would just be protecting their bankroll, and avoiding prosecution.

While there still has not been the revelation of a single photograph of crashed alien vehicles and/or bodies, predicted by the main premise of the candidate theory, that there are none.

The main detractor from the likelihood of this option is that over all these years there have been no 
"whistleblowers" who blew open the security wall and revealed the dirty secret of the phony UFO investigatory black programs. This seems to require no fallibility at all on the part of the many intelligence personnel involved and their security procedures over many years, which is not realistic. Even Grusch's testimony would have to  be a deception to maintain paranoia about alien interference in our affairs and keep the black programs running, not a true "whistleblower" action.

Evidence for this option would include the observation that there are apparently a lot of intelligence personnel from black programs who have been backing up Grusch's story. This would be expected per this last theory. They would just be protecting their bankroll, and avoiding prosecution.

While there still has not been the revelation of a single photograph of crashed alien vehicles and/or bodies, predicted by the main premise of the candidate theory, that there are none.

The main detractor from the likelihood of this option is that over all these years there have been no 
"whistleblowers" who blew open the security wall and revealed the dirty secret of the phony UFO investigatory black programs. This seems to require no fallibility at all on the part of the many intelligence personnel involved and their security procedures over many years, which is not realistic. Even Grusch's testimony would have to  be a deception to maintain paranoia about alien interference in our affairs and keep the black programs running, not a true "whistleblower" action.

I think there might just be collections of sightings and odd phenomena. Maybe there are even physical traces, but nothing like the existence of entire vehicles or alien bodies.

For what it's worth, something which I think has at least some significance, and should be given moderate credence, is some recently revealed information that might point either to the "fraudulent or otherwise false military black classified intelligence UFO recovery project(s)" theory (my favorite by a small margin), and the theory that the crashed UFOs do in fact exist and are being investigated ultra secretly:


From https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1...1IMBAAA%3D :

Extraordinary statements from Sen. Rubio (vice chair, Senate Intelligence Committee) in unaired portions of a recent NewsNation interview:

In the recent remarks, supplied to the Daily Mail.com by a member of Senator Rubio's office, Rubio described the alleged UFO program as 'in essence, some sort of an internal military complex that's their own government and is accountable to no one.'

'It would be a huge problem,' the Florida Republican said, 'if it's even partially true.'

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Referring to Grusch's allegations, Rubio said in his unaired response, 'Either what he is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high security clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase.'

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'We need to find answers,' Rubio emphasized, 'because at the end of the day, anytime agencies of the federal government are unsupervised and do whatever they want, it's
generally not a good outcome for the country.'

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From informed comments later after the interview material:

"Apparently 1 star generals are testifying. People who aren't in the military don't understand this. You don't just get to be a general. Like a 1 star can be in charge of an entire military base. 50k of the most heavily trained and armed soldiers in the world under his command. At any point they can order their troops to do something and honestly as long as it wasn't "slaughter our own citizens" they'd probably follow the order because he's a fucking general and they don't just randomly say or do shit. This is the absolute best of our country supposedly. These men don't just make shit up. There's less than 500 generals in our entire military. Congress has more members than that for example but you can't be voted in. You have to earn it."

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This just showed up on my youtube feed:



Acclaimed journalist, Ross Coulthart, investigates the UFO phenomenon and talks about the inside story of the David Grusch testimonials.

TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:45 "There's a truth about all of this"
00:04:31 Inside story of David Grusch (actual "evidence" is coming, not just testimonial)
00:15:27 They've been with us for "thousands" of years
00:24:11 Mainstream media's abject failure to cover UAPs
00:33:33 The Gillibrand legislation is momentously significant
00:40:02 The gov't has given craft to private industry
01:09:30 The Gang of Eight
01:18:14 How the gov't tells the media what to say (even Hollywood)
01:21:51 Found metals spheres that move on their own (collecting evidence from them)
01:28:22 "The Legacy Program" and the Vatican's involvement (they gave craft over to US?)
01:48:27 Reverse engineering and operating craft (which has been done?)
01:56:00 We're close to annihilation as a species
02:01:25 The untold story of "Curveball"
02:15:12 The reason behind the secrecy? The screwup by the US gov't of "divesting"
02:19:22 Alien bodies, Grusch's claims, and where they are
02:23:23 Steven Greer, and what's been "leaked"
02:29:15 Ross is under surveillance (any intimidation?)
02:30:20 Adam & Eve, and what's happening in 2029 (Leslie Kean's and John Ramirez's comments)
02:34:32 The full unedited 3.5 hour interview with David Grusch
02:38:25 Curt comments on Grusch's physics claims (quiddities)
02:44:14 Ross on Indian UAPs