Time

If time is actually an illusion, and everything actually happens simultaneously as I hear said occasionally by those who are brave or foolish enough to venture an opinion, consider this thought.
If this is accurate, there is the possibility that we have already become enlightened and are existing within God, having fully grown.

Nah, can’t be! 

If time is an illusion there would be no real change...

But the illusion we exist in where there seems to be time is changing...

[Laird]

Yep. The claim that "time is an illusion" seems to have similar, though not quite as strong, refutations as "consciousness is an illusion".

If time is an illusion there would be no real change...

But the illusion we exist in where there seems to be time is changing...

It’s one of those where I just say...”It seems that we’re meant to believe that time is ‘real’, but in reality the truth may be incomprehensible to us at this point”.

But who knows our potential as humans. If everyone was like me, we probably wouldn’t get very far!

It’s one of those where I just say...”It seems that we’re meant to believe that time is ‘real’, but in reality the truth may be incomprehensible to us at this point”.

But who knows our potential as humans. If everyone was like me, we probably wouldn’t get very far!

I don’t know if I would call time an illusion (that’s a heavily loaded term), but I think the idea that we may already be ‘there’ in a deeper, more fundamental view of what underlies spacetime, where there is no one dimensional perspective (time), on four dimensions (spacetime), is certainly one of a number of possibilities, that a destination has already been achieved, but that one still has to go through the process of making the journey.

It’s a bit like a single piece of elastic stretched between two points, the anchors for these two points are in some deeper fundamental system that underlies spacetime, but the elastic band is within spacetime itself. The two anchor points are already correlated in some way that transcends spacetime. You could imagine the elastic band represents your journey through spacetime, and the elasticity of the route, allows you to deviate to some degree, from the most direct route between the points... important perhaps if you need to avoid fatal collisions.. but what you may not be able to do, is avoid the destination ( the anchor point) in some other more fundamental description of what underlies spacetime and QM.

Crude and inaccurate analogy... but you might get the gist of it.

If time is actually an illusion, and everything actually happens simultaneously as I hear said occasionally by those who are brave or foolish enough to venture an opinion, consider this thought.
If this is accurate, there is the possibility that we have already become enlightened and are existing within God, having fully grown.

Nah, can’t be! 

Well, that's a pretty tough example, given the thread title, 'Time'. In my view, time is a trivial matter, compared with the second topic you have introduced, enlightenment. Perhaps there needs to be another thread named 'Enlightenment'.

Still, right here I'll suggest that enlightenment isn't a journey in terms of travelling to a destination, but more like a point of view. It doesn't require any motion through either time or space.

If time is an illusion there would be no real change...

But the illusion we exist in where there seems to be time is changing...

I think this needs re-reading a few times to let it sink in.

I think I agree but maybe I'm misunderstanding the point which, as far as I can tell, is that existing in the illusion means that we can't conceive of anything other than that which we experience. I tend to think that time may be the way that consciousness orders events but that it is as much a creation of mind as is the physical world that we experience as solid.

But who knows our potential as humans. If everyone was like me, we probably wouldn’t get very far!

Heh if everyone was like me we'd probably be going backwards!