There are no aliens

Yeah, the mass experience incident at the Ariel school in Ruwa, Zimbabwe on the 16 September 1994 is interesting. The children obviously experienced something, but there are clearly very large differences between their descriptions of their experiences of the same event... how do we square those differences with "nuts and bolts"?

The BBC claims they were first on the scene (with video)...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-57749238

A longer video...

The children in that sweet video were stunningly articulate and seemed deadly serious.

I don't think I'd read much into the fact that they varied a bit in their descriptions.

David

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Yeah I'm skeptical about "nuts and bolts", probably because I give credence to the really bizarre range of encounters.

I do too. But doesn't B not preclude A? That's my position. Because there is also very good evidence for N&B.

I do too. But doesn't B not preclude A? That's my position. Because there is also very good evidence for N&B.

Oh I think it is possible there are cases that are nuts & bolts, though still not clear to me these entities would be extraterrestrials. Maybe they are "ultra-terrestrials" who came from some other reality using their technology, and that is why they are so strange. Or there is some way to cross light years that runs through our Solar System and beyond a mere curious for a less advanced species like us these aliens don't bother...

I guess it's hard for me to imagine entities that evolved within the physical universe, then made it all the way to Earth across the void of space and decided to behave the way we see in the collected cases.

I'm not totally against N&B, just doubtful it applies to the entirety of UFO phenomena. And because there are related cases that don't seem to really be N&B but have elements of technology it makes me doubt any cases are genuinely N&B...

I must admit I do find it funny how I can be such a proponent for so much for so much parapsychology stuff but then when I see aliens it's like "Man, aliens? Naaaaaahhh". Is this how it feels to be on the other side?

But really, I've spent a decent chunk of time in the whole aliens community and I found it all very unremarkable. Unlike with other parapsychology stuff I find a lot of people who talk about UAPs and UFOs to be too sketchy for my liking. And when you find someone who is legit, you look at the people they've been talking to and it's more of the sketchy people. Even Grusch who was the BIG DEAL earlier this year had been talking to people who seem like absolute crackpots. Just too much stuff to dig into with not enough to get out of it, I'm waiting for them to show off the alien cheeks before I decide whether I'm for it or not. 

Weird aliens that look like frogs that live in enlightened tribal societies on their mud world? I'm totally down for it they're 100% real. Galactic federations visiting earth of far off highly advanced aliens probing the world for life? Miss me with that man.

I must admit I do find it funny how I can be such a proponent for so much for so much parapsychology stuff but then when I see aliens it's like "Man, aliens? Naaaaaahhh". Is this how it feels to be on the other side?

But really, I've spent a decent chunk of time in the whole aliens community and I found it all very unremarkable. Unlike with other parapsychology stuff I find a lot of people who talk about UAPs and UFOs to be too sketchy for my liking. And when you find someone who is legit, you look at the people they've been talking to and it's more of the sketchy people. Even Grusch who was the BIG DEAL earlier this year had been talking to people who seem like absolute crackpots. Just too much stuff to dig into with not enough to get out of it, I'm waiting for them to show off the alien cheeks before I decide whether I'm for it or not. 

Weird aliens that look like frogs that live in enlightened tribal societies on their mud world? I'm totally down for it they're 100% real. Galactic federations visiting earth of far off highly advanced aliens probing the world for life? Miss me with that man.

I lean toward this position to some extent, but it still seems to [m]e you have a lot of unusual cases that would need to be accounted for. Like Psi and Survival evidence, it seems extreme to dismiss all of the [alien cases] as flawed to a degree that would mean the phenomena simply isn't happening.

Now what is happening...that's a complicated question. I lean toward there being some kind of entities, but I also realize this isn't an opinion that should be unanimously agreed upon and accepted into how we do public policy, use funding, etc. I don't even expect people to fully accept Psi and Survival, but I do think that accepting their reality shouldn't mean becoming a pariah like Sheldrake unfortunately has been.

Really what would be great is if this stuff is studied honestly. We all know there [are] cases that are false, and we should be wary of that, but I think what we have - though it's getting better - is that even finding the best cases worthy of investigation hurts one's reputation.