The Global Consciousness Project

I've seen you raise this example before. I seem to recall that somebody asked Dean his response but I can't recall where that was.

But let's say that there was no difference in power source. What then is your argument?

Unlike Radin's experiment above, I'm doubtful there is anything to really explain at the GCP... but say there was, I would be looking at power fluctuations in the first instance affecting the RNG... so if the power source was the same, I'd be looking at measuring the power input to see if any effect I measure more closely correlated to fluctuations caused by changes in power generation and consumption. But why bother... once you know how RNG's work.

Suspected as much... And, as usual, we are back to the matter of cost. They will need a few generous donors to get the kind of equipment needed.

[Laird]

I've seen you raise this example before. I seem to recall that somebody asked Dean his response but I can't recall where that was.

Still can't remember where it was (on Skeptiko somewhere) but I now remember the content of the response (and I actually can't recall whether it was from Dean or one of his colleagues): that laptop batteries are regulated such that they maintain a very constant voltage and only drop right at the end at the point when they're almost drained, so that power irregularities are not something of concern. Whether that's accurate or not, I can't comment, I'm just reporting what I remember the response to be. If I remember where it was originally posted I'll share a link.

Dr. Peter Bancel published a paper in 2016 in which he states the evidence from the GCP rules out a global consciousness effect, and instead favors mind/matter interactions (aka micro-PK) operating between the individual owners and their computers (which comprised the network):

Searching for Global Consciousness: A Seventeen Year Exploration

In an earlier paper, a draft of which was published in 2014, Bancel demonstrated a remarkable fact: that correlations between individual RNGs in the network were more likely to occur when the owners of the networked computers were awake:

An Analysis of the Global Consciousness Project (draft)

Here's the video from a 2013 webinar presentation of Bancel being interviewed by Dean Radin. IIRC, Bancel got into some detail over his reasons for regarding the MMI explanation as more likely than that of global consciousness. I think he also spoke about the connection between wide-awake networked computer owners and correlations in the network.

https://vimeo.com/80156408

We discussed this on Skeptiko and at the time I had asked one of the researchers if the entire set of numbers was at expectation and IIRC the answer implied that it was, although I can't recall exactly. In any event, that is something to check.

If the RNGs are producing all these non random substrings based on global consciousness then over the vast sample size the 0s and 1s should vary wildly from a random distribution. If the entire set follows a random distribution then supposed substrings that look non random are probably just noise.

At least, that is my understanding.

Still can't remember where it was (on Skeptiko somewhere) but I now remember the content of the response (and I actually can't recall whether it was from Dean or one of his colleagues): that laptop batteries are regulated such that they maintain a very constant voltage and only drop right at the end at the point when they're almost drained, so that power irregularities are not something of concern. Whether that's accurate or not, I can't comment, I'm just reporting what I remember the response to be. If I remember where it was originally posted I'll share a link.

That's right, there was a thread on it where somebody quoted a response from the team that did the measurements. IIRC Radin said he had actually only been involved in the statistical stuff.

Just run exactly the same field experiment with the RNG and laptop on batteries on a day when their are no meditators, and compare - when blinded - as to which was which.

Dr. Peter Bancel published a paper in 2016 in which he states the evidence from the GCP rules out a global consciousness effect, and instead favors mind/matter interactions (aka micro-PK) operating between the individual owners and their computers (which comprised the network):

Searching for Global Consciousness: A Seventeen Year Exploration

In an earlier paper, a draft of which was published in 2014, Bancel demonstrated a remarkable fact: that correlations between individual RNGs in the network were more likely to occur when the owners of the networked computers were awake:

An Analysis of the Global Consciousness Project (draft)

Here's the video from a 2013 webinar presentation of Bancel being interviewed by Dean Radin. IIRC, Bancel got into some detail over his reasons for regarding the MMI explanation as more likely than that of global consciousness. I think he also spoke about the connection between wide awake networked computer owners and correlations in the network.

https://vimeo.com/80156408

Haven't read it, but that's what you would expect to see with power fluctuations... when people are awake there is a lot of fluctuing demand/supply in the power supply grid etc. It's much quieter when people are asleep and not consuming.

Dr. Peter Bancel published a paper in 2016 in which he states the evidence from the GCP rules out a global consciousness effect, and instead favors mind/matter interactions (aka micro-PK) operating between the individual owners and their computers (which comprised the network):

Searching for Global Consciousness: A Seventeen Year Exploration

In an earlier paper, a draft of which was published in 2014, Bancel demonstrated a remarkable fact: that correlations between individual RNGs in the network were more likely to occur when the owners of the networked computers were awake:

An Analysis of the Global Consciousness Project (draft)

Here's the video from a 2013 webinar presentation of Bancel being interviewed by Dean Radin. IIRC, Bancel got into some detail over his reasons for regarding the MMI explanation as more likely than that of global consciousness. I think he also spoke about the connection between wide-awake networked computer owners and correlations in the network.

https://vimeo.com/80156408

Yes, Bancel has looked at the data in great depth, and if people want technical details about the random number generators they can find them in his papers. The technical appendix to the first of those papers is here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...al_details

One of the things he found was a kind of diurnal variation based on the local time for the random number generators, suggesting the effect tended to be larger in the daytime, though as the effect is essentially made up of correlations between two RNGs in different parts of the world, it's not quite as simple as the owners of the computers being awake. In fact he later suggested it might be that the effect was strongest when Roger Nelson, the organiser of the project, was awake!

Haven't read it, but that's what you would expect to see with power fluctuations... when people are awake there is a lot of fluctuing demand/supply in the power supply grid etc. It's much quieter when people are asleep and not consuming.

"Fluctuating power supplies" is one of the oldest suggestions that have been made, but I've never seen it explained how that could produce the observed results. What's needed is an explanation of how there can be a correlation of the outputs of two random number generators in different parts of the world on a second-by-second basis.

...how there can be a correlation of the outputs of two random number generators in different parts of the world on a second-by-second basis.

I'm not familiar with that experiment so I really can't comment.