Rune Soup: Travelling Ghosts Bent Spoons and the Science of Magic | Dean Radin

Travelling Ghosts Bent Spoons and the Science of Magic | Dean Radin

Gordon White

In this episode, Dr Radin returns to the show to talk to us about his amazing new book, The Science of Magic.

We look at

• Meta-analyses with trillion-to-one odds.
  
• Hotel poltergeists that target specific researchers.
  
• Spoons that bend without force.
  
• Sigils. Always, always sigils.
  
  

Radin explains why materialist skeptics have run out of arguments, how belief literally structures the universe, and why your unconscious mind might be doing magic right now.

If you liked Real Magic, this one takes the conversation even further. The dominant of wider inclusions has surely arrived.

Show Notes

[*]Pre-order the new book
[*]Dr Radin’s website

That was a fantastic talk between Gordon White Dean Radin. DR doesn't just plug his book, and I think everyone here should listen.

I have never been a great fan of Gordon White because on his own I feel he tends to waffle and miss the point that many people - like me - like evidence.

Dean seemed the perfect partner, and this interview covers a lot of ground.

I have read Real Magic and I will certainly buy his new book.

A lot of the conversation was about the larger picture. They both seem convinced that time does not work linearly - sometimes it pulls from the future.

David

New Thinking Allowed with Jeffrey Mishlove - 27 Oct 2025

Magic and Science with Dean Radin

Dean Radin, PhD, is chief scientist at the Institute of Noetic Science in Novato, California. He is author of The Conscious Universe, Entangled Minds, Supernormal, and Real Magic. His latest book is titled The Science of Magic.

In this conversation, Dr. Dean Radin explores the intersection of magic and science, showing how ancient practices of intention and attention parallel modern findings in parapsychology and quantum physics. He discusses his experiments with magicians and meditators, revealing evidence that consciousness can subtly influence light, matter, and even biological systems. Dr. Radin also reflects on the ethical and spiritual implications of these findings, suggesting that the pursuit of real magic ultimately leads toward compassion, wisdom, and service.

00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:46 Breaking taboos between science and magic
00:06:34 Experiments with magicians and meditators
00:17:05 Coincidences, synchronicity, and funding “magic”
00:25:12 Consciousness interaction with photons
00:27:25 Blessing experiments with chocolate, tea, and water
00:32:06 Challenges of replication and epistemology
00:36:05 Chaos magic and mathematical theory
00:39:12 Metal bending and the mystery of intention
00:46:22 Divination, retrocausation, and how magic may work
01:06:02 Conclusion

Dean has followed up with another book that goes into a lot more detail about the significance of PSI to science - particularly physics.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Science-Magic-W...B0DTNM94GL

I really hope @sbu  reads it!

It deserves a thread of its own. I'll try to write something soon unless someone else beats me to it.

David

I have skimmed through his latest book, he brings up magic, but I thought that most of it was like his earlier books. I think one should look at anthropology if one wants to study the relation between psi and magic.

Dean has followed up with another book that goes into a lot more detail about the significance of PSI to science - particularly physics.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Science-Magic-W...B0DTNM94GL

I really hope @sbu  reads it!

It deserves  a thread of its own. I'll try to write something soon unless someone else beats me to it.

David

I’m not unwilling to read proponent literature, but I often find such books muddled with anecdotal accounts collected through unskeptical methods, combined with excessively long arguments about why physicalism must be wrong.

Dean Radin has been criticized for using questionable statistical methods, particularly for combining data from highly heterogeneous studies in his meta-analyses. For that reason, his books are not on my personal “recommended reading” list. But if you genuinely feel this one breaks new ground and can share a few posts about what it covers, I’ll give it a read.

IONS has uploaded an excerpt from The Science of Magic: How the Mind Weaves the Fabric of Reality 
https://noetic.org/blog/a-revolution-is-brewing/

Dean Radin has been criticized for using questionable statistical methods, particularly for combining data from highly heterogeneous studies in his meta-analyses. For that reason, his books are not on my personal “recommended reading” list

I thought the whole idea of meta-analysis was to combine evidence for something from various sources!

David

[Laird]

Generalised debunking, prohibited in these subforums per rule #7 of our rules, split out into a new thread in the subforum in which it isn't prohibited: That there is no experimental evidence for psi, especially from meta-analyses [split from Rune Soup: Travelling ...].