Opinion’s on Keith Augustine?
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(2023-06-19, 05:48 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: While I think it would be *better* if Stevenson had communicated this information, I'm not sure this would tip the scales much either way. People would just say the whole thing was staged prior to his death, or that someone had managed to guess the correct answer. The protocol that Stevenson applied is quite robust and clear. As for tilting the scales, no evidence ever has done so. But it think it's problematic for those of us who are survivalists that it hasn't happened when it comes to the lines of evidence for survival coming from ADCs, apparitions and mediumship. The combination lock test is part of Stevenson's life work. He and other parapsychologists deemed it extremely important for settling the topic of purported survival evidence from Living Agent Psi. Stevenson managed to provide evidence for survival in form of memories from a previous incarnation, which is not exactly the same as communicating hidden information to living people from another realm of existence. Thanks for your input, Sci. (2023-06-19, 06:08 PM)Brian Wrote: Anybody with an imagination could come up with multiple possible reasons. How about it is difficult after death to contact the living? Yeah it's a bit of a conundrum actually, because not having the information that opens the locks is a point against Survival. But if within the hour someone claimed to have the combination given to them from beyond the grave by Stevenson it would be largely dismissed as part of an elaborate set up concocted while Stevenson was alive.
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- Bertrand Russell (2023-06-19, 06:14 PM)Sam Wrote: The combination lock test is part of Stevenson's life work. He and other parapsychologists deemed it extremely important for settling the topic of purported survival evidence from Living Agent Psi. As Peter Mulacz notes that's something the test would not do: Quote:Both tests, the Thouless cipher code and the padlock tests, suffer from this Edit: I realize Stevenson felt ESP of some sort could get the combination but not the meangingful phrase it's based on, but I just have trouble seeing why this would be the case...
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
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- Bertrand Russell (2023-06-19, 02:47 PM)Brian Wrote: One thing is for sure, those atheists who are commenting are doing so with a passion and a zeal worthy of any religion!It's like that thread Merle linked to on christianforums.net discussing the soul, atheist apologetics tend to be pretty agressive and confrontational... Also, he argues against the "conforting" nature of survival conveniently ignoring ideas of bleak afterlives, or their own arguments about why oblivion is great. (2023-06-19, 02:55 PM)Brian Wrote: https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/675...no1-70.pdf Kenneth Ring has been one of the foremost NDE researchers and I think he showed a lot of wisdom in his concluding remarks in this paper on veridical NDE evidence in respect to attacks by one of the leading NDE skeptics, Keith Augustine: Quote:"....I have tried to speak in their (the NDEr's) (2023-06-19, 05:48 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: While I think it would be *better* if Stevenson had communicated this information, I'm not sure this would tip the scales much either way. People would just say the whole thing was staged prior to his death, or that someone had managed to guess the correct answer. There's always the possibility that we are being gently led towards acceptance of the larger reality including the "spiritual" dimensions. Perhaps these "proofs" are discouraged - after all, it must be a common agreement between the dying and their living friends and families. I have no idea how many of these agreements have positive outcomes but I do think that those involving famous people would be suppressed. Be that as it may, we do have a rich and varied trove of evidence anyway. Do we throw it all out because some scheme didn't materialise?
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Freeman Dyson (2023-06-24, 03:43 AM)Kamarling Wrote: There's always the possibility that we are being gently led towards acceptance of the larger reality including the "spiritual" dimensions. Perhaps these "proofs" are discouraged - after all, it must be a common agreement between the dying and their living friends and families. I have no idea how many of these agreements have positive outcomes but I do think that those involving famous people would be suppressed. There's a reincarnation case where the phone number of the past-life person is near perfect save two digits are transposed. So I do think it should be possible to communicate the information, but you'd likely need a very large number of locks in hopes of getting past life or after death communication that hits one. But I do agree that we shouldn't base our decision about the truth of Survival simply on the fact that these locks haven't been opened.
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