Neurodiversity, Part 1: Two Souls in One Body with Annika and Tristan

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12_vN...oLT8k/edit

Jessi Heart is promoting sex work to minors and silencing concerns as “hate”
Much of the discourse about this individual has been about whether this individual is faking DID, and we believe that this is missing the biggest red flag- that Jessie Heart is operating under a false name, attached to an easily findable body of (what could be considered to be) hardcore and kinky (DDLG) pornography, in order to talk to vulnerable individuals and children. Whether by intent or otherwise- she is promoting sex work to a large body of traumatised minors. When this is calmly pointed out, those people voicing concerns have been silenced, blocked, and then demonized by both “Jessie” and her moderation team.

After the relationship ended, Annika attempted to create GiantessLove, a website where users could share, chat, upload, gather “points” and purchase clips of giantess themed works. The website ran into many issues (note the similarities between this and the discord page “Two Souls, One Server” that Jessie+James Heart are now using). Annika claimed that it had been hacked- this was found to be a lie. Annika walked away with people’s money. She did not pay the majority of the content creators or producers their hard-earned money, and she went dark. Three months later, she wrote up an apology (on page 4) and bid her tearful farewell to the giantess community.

Annika has also been shown to be lying at every step of her “DID journey” going from claiming she has no trauma and dissociation, to having them but we (the audience) “misunderstood”.

Advocating against seeing professionals, as they “do not understand” the condition (read: like Annika does), then changing this when the heat was turned up. If you look into Annika now- under the name “twosoulsonebod”- note that much of the “hate” is regarding her faking DID, and much of it tracks the many times at which she has attempted to change/rewrite aspects her story, gaslight the audience, etc. It could all be listed, but that list would, essentially, be endless.

Although all of this is upsetting, valid, and important to point out, we strongly believe that Annika is attempting to create diversions from her real incentives behind infiltrating such a vulnerable and (largely) trauma based community. She is, essentially, setting multiple fires off at once to distract from the central inferno.

[Laird]

You guys really need to scroll down her reddit and read some of the material.

It's not "her" reddit; it's a reddit set up - in an apparently malicious spirit - to criticise them.

It's very telling.

Yep, it's telling about human mean-spiritedness.

On one occasion she has posted a barmy video of herself rubbing her tummy while patting her head and claiming it is because there are two people. 

Yeah, even I can do that as a single person. It's not good evidence of two consciousnesses and probably an error of judgement for them to have posted it as such, but it certainly doesn't prove the opposite.

I don't believe a word of the OP video.  I think it is a very bad joke!

You're entitled to your opinion, but you haven't posted anything particularly probative in support of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/twosoulsonebod/

My response to that reddit is summed up in this recent post by "Otherwise_Account":

today i came across “two souls one body” via new thinking allowed. i was immediately fascinated by the psychology of these two clearly distinct personalities in one body, a phenomenon i’ve never witnessed before. curious to see what else there would be about them on the webs to research this myself—i found this sub.

as an outside curious observer who has not adopted any belief about them or their story—im not sure if this sub has accomplished any debunking at all, at least not based on what i’ve been exposed to so far.

so far, allegations here seem to present a case that in the past this personality has engaged in activities that related to fraud or deception —but even if these are valid claims—it’s hard to see how any of these claim expose this phenomenon as being fabricated and these claims made here are so caked in vitriol against the subject that they can just as easily be dismissed.

clearly this is a phenomenon of some kind—psychologically to say the least. i hope this sub can sober up on the critiques posted here because “annika and james” are making a clearer case in their “manipulation” than this community is doing in their so called exposure.

what am i missing?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12_vN...oLT8k/edit

I've read that, once before their full response and once after. I find their response compelling, and after reading it the critique, on a rereading, comes across as wrongful, misguided, and written in bad faith.

Now, don't get me wrong, I have noticed what seems to be the occasional inconsistency in their claims. Sometimes, the perceived inconsistency seems to have been cleared up. Other times I'm not so sure. For example, I seem to have noticed that they have been inconsistent as to whether Annika had/has access to Tristan's memories.

I haven't, though, seen anything that seriously challenges their core claim to being two souls inhabiting one body, and I continue to find this case fascinating, and Tristan and Annika to be two creative and fun people in their own rights.

I've read that, once before their full response and once after. I find their response compelling, and after reading it the critique, on a rereading, comes across as wrongful, misguided, and written in bad faith.

Now, don't get me wrong, I have noticed what seems to be the occasional inconsistency in their claims. Sometimes, the perceived inconsistency seems to have been cleared up. Other times I'm not so sure. For example, I seem to have noticed that they have been inconsistent as to whether Annika had/has access to Tristan's memories.

I haven't, though, seen anything that seriously challenges their core claim to being two souls inhabiting one body, and I continue to find this case fascinating, and Tristan and Annika to be two creative and fun people in their own rights.

Yeah I find the list of accusations to be confusing and potentially just lies.

That said for me to think something genuine is going on requires some more research. Brain scans would be of interest, for example...

Yeah I find the list of accusations to be confusing and potentially just lies.

That said for me to think something genuine is going on requires some more research. Brain scans would be of interest, for example...

I find any video or claim on the internet or in books, newspapers or on television to be potentially just lies but so much of what is claimed on this forum is based on such.   Where do you draw the lines?  There are questions such as why would somebody create such a detailed page just to lie about somebody? If you read that whole page there seems to be some reasonably accurate medical knowledge involved.  You are free to choose who you believe of course but your choice will be arbitrary and will betray how biased your biases are.  I only put it here because I know that any paranormal claim will be swallowed up heartily on this forum with few if any skeptical thoughts to balance it and certainly no actual science.  I hate playing devil's advocate, really I do but I get so frustrated with how gullible and unquestioning people can be.

I find any video or claim on the internet or in books, newspapers or on television to be potentially just lies but so much of what is claimed on this forum is based on such.  

The idea that there are nuts-and-bolts aliens who crashed in the American desert and whose remains are now kept secret by a secretive American organization immediately comes to mind. I’m still undecided whether I rate this idea more deluded than the flat earth hypothesis.

But the forum also offers fresh perspectives I enjoy engaging into. It’s important to have ones believes challenges from time to time.

I find any video or claim on the internet or in books, newspapers or on television to be potentially just lies but so much of what is claimed on this forum is based on such.   Where do you draw the lines?  There are questions such as why would somebody create such a detailed page just to lie about somebody? If you read that whole page there seems to be some reasonably accurate medical knowledge involved.  You are free to choose who you believe of course but your choice will be arbitrary and will betray how biased your biases are.  I only put it here because I know that any paranormal claim will be swallowed up heartily on this forum with few if any skeptical thoughts to balance it and certainly no actual science.  I hate playing devil's advocate, really I do but I get so frustrated with how gullible and unquestioning people can be.

This is an example of extreme physicalist hyperskepticism, and would not just throw out from serious consideration most all results in parapsychology and psychical research, but would also throw out the bulk of all the millions of scientific research papers and books and textbooks generated by physicalist scientists, because research papers and books are how research tests and results, and "scientific" or other truth are defined, documented, disseminated and accepted. All these information media you feel could have been concocted of lies because they are absolute proof of nothing, just that imperfect human beings who could possibly be mistaken, fallable, or villianous wrote certain things that could be lies. 

Therefore this hyperskepticism is self defeating because it invalidates the entire edifice of modern (at least partial) scientific understanding of the world that it appears you are attempting to defend against the influx of "woo".

This is an example of extreme physicalist hyperskepticism, and would not just throw out from serious consideration most all results in parapsychology and psychical research, but would also throw out the bulk of all the millions of scientific research papers and books and textbooks generated by physicalist scientists, because research papers and books are how research tests and results, and "scientific" or other truth are defined, documented, disseminated and accepted. All these information media you feel could have been concocted of lies because they are absolute proof of nothing, just that imperfect human beings who could possibly be mistaken, fallable, or villianous wrote certain things that could be lies. 

Therefore this hyperskepticism is self defeating because it invalidates the entire edifice of modern (at least partial) scientific understanding of the world that it appears you are attempting to defend against the influx of "woo".

I can’t reply for Brian, but I think it’s important to differentiate between anecdotal reports from attention seeking individuals and then the important work done by serious researchers in parapsychology/NDEs/related phenomenas published in journals.

I can’t reply for Brian, but I think it’s important to differentiate between anecdotal reports from attention seeking individuals and then the important work done by serious researchers in parapsychology/NDEs/related phenomenas published in journals.

The problem is, virtually everything in print and on the media is ultimately anecdotal ("not necessarily true or reliable, because of being based on personal accounts rather than facts or research"), because ultimately all research results and research descriptions and scientific conclusions written in papers and books and textbooks are in fact mere claims written by potentially fallable human beings as personal accounts of encountering certain experiences or having certain thoughts and understandings. All of this or part of this could possibly be lies. As witness the current apparent flood of retractions of scientific papers for false statements, invented or changed data, and plagiarism.

The problem is, virtually everything in print and on the media is ultimately anecdotal ("not necessarily true or reliable, because of being based on personal accounts rather than facts or research"), because ultimately all research results and research descriptions and scientific conclusions written in papers and books and textbooks are in fact mere claims written by potentially fallable human beings as personal accounts of encountering certain experiences or having certain thoughts and understandings. All of this or part of this could possibly be lies. As witness the current apparent flood of retractions of scientific papers for false statements, invented or changed data, and plagiarism.

Also the question of history, where all historical witnesses should be considered untrustworthy whether their claims are pararnormal or not.

I am neutral on this individual, because there isn't any strong reason for me to believe but I also don't find the accusations presented in a reasonable way.

On the general question of the Weird/Super-natural, I do think there is something going on. I don't see any reason to assume everyone is lying because there are no a priori reasons to reject the possibility of all claims even if I judge certain cases to implausible or lies. 

We can say some people want attention or want to make their religion seem true or want money...but for certain cases it seems very unlikely the people are getting that much out of it beyond sharing their experience. We could even cut out the weaker cases as honest errors, but enough cases remain that suggest Survival / Psi / Weird Entities are real.

I find any video or claim on the internet or in books, newspapers or on television to be potentially just lies but so much of what is claimed on this forum is based on such.   Where do you draw the lines?  There are questions such as why would somebody create such a detailed page just to lie about somebody? If you read that whole page there seems to be some reasonably accurate medical knowledge involved.  You are free to choose who you believe of course but your choice will be arbitrary and will betray how biased your biases are.  I only put it here because I know that any paranormal claim will be swallowed up heartily on this forum with few if any skeptical thoughts to balance it and certainly no actual science.  I hate playing devil's advocate, really I do but I get so frustrated with how gullible and unquestioning people can be.

The document just reads like a list of grudges to me? 

This isn't to say I just believe a person has two souls inside their body because they claim it is so. I just think this case warrants some more research. For example Materialists have been happy to latch onto cases like that of Phineas Gage, along with cases of Blind Sight and Split Brain...all of which have been questioned more recently on whether the cases were exaggerated or even falsely evaluated to favor the Materialist faith. So this Two Souls, One Body case should also be evaluated for its value.

As for what I believe generally, I think there are no a priori reasons to reject the paranormal as Materialism/Physicalism can't explain Consciousness nor fully explain Causality. And as a variant on the bolded part of your reply -  I don't think the number of cases of Psi/Survival would be as large - or stretch across the world's geography & history - as they are if everyone just reported them for the sake of lying.