Yeah those are some claims of the materialist dogma, as per the quote by Bertrand Russell in my signature.
Edit: I don't consider it a point for materialism because I don't see how lacking an explanation for consciousness one could still dismiss all the varied witness accounts of OBEs.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
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(2023-09-14, 05:41 AM)LotusFlower Wrote: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shot...experience
This is saying that OBEs are all from the brain and that the sense of self is an organ. How do I interpret this, is this a point for materialism?
I’ve not read the paper. There have been a handful of studies implicating other areas of the brain to be responsible for the wakeful out of body type experience. These different competing claims from researchers are sufficient to show that no one area of the brain appears to be key to the wakeful OBE. Rather, it suggests instead, that destabilising (any) key areas of the brains networks with electrical shocks, seems to produce a brain-wide destabilising effect on the subjects networks, which can result in the temporary destabilising of their sense-of-self, which researchers are describing.
There is also no satisfying explanation as to how our experiences arise.
Also such studies begin with the assumption that our experience arises totally isolated within each individual themselves, so it’s hardly surprising that researchers interpret their results in this way.
However, there are overwhelming numbers of human anomalous experiences, which suggest that experients can come into possession of experiences (information) which are not their own. So it seems likely that that the assumption that experiences arise totally isolated within the individual, will in the future, turn out to have been wrong.
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.