NDEs and epileptic seizures

If the seizures happen in NDE cases then NDEs get debunked as just brain product. We have to see if seizures and NDEs always happen together but I fear this is the case. Maybe one can try contact parnia?

There is unlikely to be a nice clear cut in my view.

1) not at all, NDE's won' get debunked as brain product; seizures won't explain third-party-verified NDE's which are numerous. 2) again, NDE's are only part of the phenomenon, SDE's, DBV's, OBE's, among others, have nothing to do with seizures. 3) you are avoiding for the second time to address the pronouncement about seeing yourself from above when you are dead, which is completely "un-materialistic".  
So, If I were you, I wouldn't get so enthusiastic about this seizure thing.

The statement about being dead was just a joke he was making to close the lecture. It meant nothing. And yes if NDEs happen in people with brain activity and they aren't present in people who instead do not have it NDEs get dubunked, it means the brain is causing them.
Of course we donìt know it yet, he told nothing about the two being correlated but using Occam's Razor it's the most probable thing going on during NDEs.

The statement about being dead was just a joke he was making to close the lecture. It meant nothing. And yes if NDEs happen in people with brain activity and they aren't present in people who instead do not have it NDEs get dubunked, it means the brain is causing them.
Of course we donìt know it yet, he told nothing about the two being correlated but using Occam's Razor it's the most probable thing going on during NDEs.

1) Seriously? You're thought reader? "It meant nothing"? Wow, you display tremendous amount of certainty there. I'd call it "wishful thinking" 
2) Really, third party-verified NDE's are caused by brain?? Again, a severe case of wishful thinking I'd say. 
3) I repeat for the third time: NDE's are only part of the phenomenon, SDE's, OBE's, DBV's, PML (all that stuff materialists hate to talk about) could not be debunked by this seizure nonsense. 
4) Yea, good luck with your Occam's Razor explaining Pam Reynold's case or the dentures case, or the sneaker case. And Hundreds of others. If not thousands.

The statement about being dead was just a joke he was making to close the lecture. It meant nothing. And yes if NDEs happen in people with brain activity and they aren't present in people who instead do not have it NDEs get dubunked, it means the brain is causing them.
Of course we donìt know it yet, he told nothing about the two being correlated but using Occam's Razor it's the most probable thing going on during NDEs.

There *is* brain activity during the NDE, because sufficient numbers of cells are still functional, otherwise people wouldn't be able to tell us about their experiences following resuscitation... but that doesn't mean "...NDE's get debunked..."?

1) Seriously? You're thought reader? "It meant nothing"? Wow, you display tremendous amount of certainty there. I'd call it "wishful thinking" 
2) Really, third party-verified NDE's are caused by brain?? Again, a severe case of wishful thinking I'd say. 
3) I repeat for the third time: NDE's are only part of the phenomenon, SDE's, OBE's, DBV's, PML (all that stuff materialists hate to talk about) could not be debunked by this seizure nonsense. 
4) Yea, good luck with your Occam's Razor explaining Pam Reynold's case or the dentures case, or the sneaker case. And Hundreds of others. If not thousands.

Brain activity could explain it all, after all studies have shown that OBEs can be induced by stimulating certain areas of the brain.

Brain activity could explain it all, after all studies have shown that OBEs can be induced by stimulating certain areas of the brain.

"Brain activity could explain it all"??? Ah, ok. A fanatical materialist here, without a valid argument or an iota of evidence. Waste of time talking to you.

"Brain activity could explain it all"??? Ah, ok. A fanatical materialist here, without a valid argument or an iota of evidence. Waste of time talking to you.

If you knew me you'd understand that I am an NDE proponent, not a materialist. But for NDEs to be valid and unexplainable within the materialistic framework they have to happen suring a flat EEG, otherwise we know that the brain could make it all up. Also I am a pessimist, that is why I'm convinced that seizures are going to be linked with NDEs

If you knew me you'd understand that I am an NDE proponent, not a materialist. But for NDEs to be valid and unexplainable within the materialistic framework they have to happen suring a flat EEG, otherwise we know that the brain could make it all up. Also I am a pessimist, that is why I'm convinced that seizures are going to be linked with NDEs

Sorry, I don't think you are a proponent, not that it mattered. And, forgive me, but it seems to me you are not at all familiar with SDE's, DBV's, etc, otherwise it wouldn't occur to you to insinuate that they can be explained by brain activity. Even NDE's, third party verified ones, hundreds of them, can NOT be explained by anything remotely resembling brain activity.

Has it ever been demonstrated that NDEs occur at the moment someone has a seizure?

By this logic, you'd expect sufferers of Epilepsy to experience NDEs ~ which has never been recorded in the literature regarding Epilepsy.

Raf999, you are an odd individual.

Previously, you attack PK as being basically fraudulent, while saying that NDEs are what you believe to be verifiably real.

But, now... you attack NDEs heavy-handedly too?

I feel like I've slipped into a bizarro world...

Or maybe, just maybe, you might be a Physicalist pretending to accept the verifiability of paranormal phenomena, and then when you get what you think is ammunition, you shoot it down quite gleefully. That's the vibe I'm getting here.

Sorry, I don't think you are a proponent, not that it mattered. And, forgive me, but it seems to me you are not at all familiar with SDE's, DBV's, etc, otherwise it wouldn't occur to you to insinuate that they can be explained by brain activity. Even NDE's, third party verified ones, hundreds of them, can NOT be explained by anything remotely resembling brain activity.

Why can't they? People could just gather informations through normal sensory means while in CA with brain activity going on, then their brains reconstruct the scene from those inputs.