NDE's linked to lucid dreaming and OBE's

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I am not exactly sure where to post this, as it covers several topics. 

The article talks about research done, comparing NDE's, lucid dreaming, out of body experiences.. Some interesting findings and areas for further research. 

Study links near-death experiences to vivid dream phenomena like lucid and precognitive dreams (msn.com)
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A new article covers a recent study ( https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2025-09084-001.html ) of the effects of having had an NDE on the dreaming of the NDEr. This aspect of NDEs has not to my knowledge been addressed by any research until this study. It turns out that NDErs report considerably more frequent and vivid dreams, most importantly including lucid dreaming, out-of-body experiences, and even precognitive dreams, compared to non-NDErs.

It's interesting, first , that the researchers never resort to the ubiquitous materialist scientistic "NDEs must be tricks of the dying brain" mantra . They clearly imply, though never actually state, that they at least consider it an open possibility, are willing to entertain the notion that, NDEs are an experiential gateway into an afterlife and existence as a spirit. Presumably they were careful never to say anything explicit along those lines in order, first, to get published, and secondarily in order not to gravely endanger their careers.

I hope that this is a sign of the times that more scientists are coming around to the paranormal interpretation, even if slowly and reluctantly.

https://www.psypost.org/study-links-near...ve-dreams/

Quote:A recent study ( https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2025-09084-001.html ) published in the journal Dreaming sheds new light on the relationship between near-death experiences and dreaming.
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One of the most striking findings was the increased frequency of lucid dreams, out-of-body experiences during sleep, and precognitive dreams in the NDE group. Lucid dreams, where individuals are aware they are dreaming and can sometimes control the dream, were much more common among those who had an NDE. Out-of-body experiences during sleep, in which individuals feel as though their consciousness has separated from their physical body, were also more frequent in the NDE group. Finally, NDE survivors reported more precognitive dreams, in which they seemed to have knowledge of future events.
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“Another surprising and quite bizarre finding was that, following the NDE, some people appear to be able to tune into another’s consciousness whilst dreaming, either in the past, present or future,” Lindsay added. “Sometimes these experiences were quite mundane, like walking through a house their friend was thinking of buying or tasting what another person was eating for lunch. It was as though they were experiencing it from the other person’s perspective. These dream experiences were often very vivid, indistinguishable from reality and could be quite confusing for the experiencer. Some people also become very adept lucid dreamers and have impressive control over their dream states.”
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When the researchers examined the potential reasons for these differences, they found that the intensity of the NDE—how deep or transformative the experience was—was closely linked to the frequency of lucid dreams, precognitive dreams, and out-of-body experiences. In contrast, trauma symptoms, such as those associated with post-traumatic stress, were more strongly related to the occurrence of nightmares and sleep disturbances.
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“One of the more unexpected findings was that elements of the NDE, particularly communication or contact with entities or beings encountered during the NDE, tend to transition into dream states afterwards.
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“I remember one participant from my PhD studies stated ‘it’s like I still have one foot on the other side’ and that pretty much sums it up. Dream states seem to bridge that gap between the state experienced during the NDE, and everyday waking reality.”

It seems to me that these research results are much to be expected as an aftereffect of a real experiencing of leaving the body and transforming into the state of an immaterial spirit - presumably the extremely vivid and powerful experience opens up pathways in the brain/spirit interface for manifestation of some of the spirit capabilities while embodied, and the higher the intensity of the NDE experience when out of body the more profound these changes would be expected in re-embodied consiousness after the NDE.

Tellingly, there was no such very positive and quasi-paranormal effect from other sorts of very intense (embodied) experiences such as major trauma. Instead there are generally the expected greater incidence of nightmares.

According to the "NDEs must be tricks of the dying brain" mantra, there is no reason whatsoever that disorganized fluctuations in a dying dysfunctional brain should produce such highly coherent and positive and even partially paranormal experiences in later life. I think that the neuromaterialist skeptics will probably have great difficulty explaining these findings.
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I think this thread refers to the same study?

Is it worth joining the threads?
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That was my thought too, @Sciborg_S_Patel. I'll merge this one into that one unless @nbtruthman objects.
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Done.
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