Desperation - the scientistic materialists strike back against PSI

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(2022-10-22, 12:57 PM)Smaw Wrote: I have reviewed the main evidence in parapsychology in my 2020 book “Psychology and the Paranormal: Exploring Anomalous Experience”. Here I propose the theory that, if it exists at all, psi is a spontaneous experience not amenable to laboratory research. I believe this theory is fully consistent with the scientific evidence which indicates a total failure to replicate any laboratory finding.
That doesn't sound right. Think of Dean Radin's work - replicated by a number of other groups, and the ganzfeld experiments. Obviously there is an underlying random component to the results (as there is on the accumulation of results in a double-slit experiment done one at a time) but by any reasonable definition, these are repeatable experiments!

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(2022-10-24, 10:50 AM)David001 Wrote: That doesn't sound right. Think of Dean Radin's work - replicated by a number of other groups, and the ganzfeld experiments. Obviously there is an underlying random component to the results (as there is on the accumulation of results in a double-slit experiment done one at a time) but by any reasonable definition, these are repeatable experiments!

David

Yeah it would be one thing to criticize the varied studies that have been done, but this guy seems to want to make a very bold claim that the one guy he criticized is the foundational pillar of Psi Studies...

I do give him credit for at least accepting spontaneous anomalies like synchronicity though what seems like dishonesty on his part makes him suspect.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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(2022-10-24, 10:50 AM)David001 Wrote: That doesn't sound right. Think of Dean Radin's work - replicated by a number of other groups, and the ganzfeld experiments. Obviously there is an underlying random component to the results (as there is on the accumulation of results in a double-slit experiment done one at a time) but by any reasonable definition, these are repeatable experiments!

David

There is usually a lot of bias in how these experiments are reported. It appears there is also desperation on the part of those who are pro psi.  eg.

Quote:The false-positive effect, which indicates the presence of significant SME in the Radin DS-experiment, suggests that skepticism should replace optimism concerning the radical claim that an anomalous quantum consciousness effect has been observed in a controlled laboratory setting

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10....01891/full
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(2022-10-24, 08:08 PM)Brian Wrote: There is usually a lot of bias in how these experiments are reported. It appears there is also desperation on the part of those who are pro psi.  eg.

You can't just assert that there's a lot of bias in how these experiments are reported and then give one example for the apparent entire field of parapsychology. If that was the case we could dismiss every scientific field with the wave of a hand. THOUGH, I will admit that is a very interesting study on Dean Radin's work, and the responses and commentaries are not good to say the least.
(2022-10-24, 08:08 PM)Brian Wrote: There is usually a lot of bias in how these experiments are reported. It appears there is also desperation on the part of those who are pro psi.  eg.

I don't read any desperation in the research work by Radin et all.   My take is that the work is transparent and professional.  The critique you post drives more at the contractor paid to crunch the scientific data as a mismatch to the research protocol.  Whether it is heart-felt critique of the inner logic of the DOE - or not - the Radin research is just 1 data point and dovetails with the rest of the picture.  Radin gets high praise from me, but I am not capable of evaluating the statistical arguments in the data analysis.  I am pretty sure it was unintentional bias they are suggesting as possibly having occurred.

Here is hot off the press confirmation of the empirical patterns matching-up in a physical DOE protocol.  Again, just another data-point, but they just keep coming -- all with correlation to mind's abilities.

Quote: Dr. Kerskens added, "If entanglement is the only possible explanation here then that would mean that brain processes must have interacted with the nuclear spins, mediating the entanglement between the nuclear spins. As a result, we can deduce that those brain functions must be quantum.

"Because these brain functions were also correlated to short-term memory performance and conscious awareness, it is likely that those
quantum processes are an important part of our cognitive and conscious brain functions.
https://www.sci.news/othersciences/neuro...11315.html


Brian, I hope you don't see me as desperate to support Psi.  My take on things is  "science will out (over time)" and the workings of mind and how Psi happens are coming out!  The patterns of quantum information processing are not fringe.  Hell - Aton Z just won the f...ing Nobel.  Non-local is mainstream - only because it is testing true to course.
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