(2024-04-24, 10:03 AM)David001 Wrote: The fundamental problem here is something that the Discovery Institute has been hammering on for years about. Life is based on a very, very elaborate chemical machine - even in single-celled organisms. If anything as complex as this had been found on the moon, it would have been recognised as something made by an intelligent entity. However, much of this was designed before there was life on Earth. I used the term 'waffle' because I think one way to deal with a logical clash like this is to somehow blur the issue.
I think the DI has a proof that the mechanisms that form the basis for life required a designer (the only problem is that the DI attribute that to Yaweh). Don't forget that before there was life you can't even appeal to RM+NS - the incredible mechanism that comprises life can't be explained by chance. There is of course the possibility that some alien race visited Earth and seeded the planet, although even that seems uncertain to me.Another problem with that idea, is that it seems to push the problem back a few more billion years - yho designed the designers? Why don't you come up with a serious alternative, and we can discuss it.
David
You know that I completely disagree with the notion of 'proof' when using this argument. A proof is a logical argument that demonstrates that a proposition is true, based entirely on other true propositions and rules of inference.
But for clarification could you maybe explain if the proposed designer designed the universe or only the life in it?