Theodicies

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(2022-11-03, 08:53 PM)Raimo Wrote: This is a very interesting discussion, but there is no need for theodicy if one doesn't believe in God. My view of the intelligence behind creation is much more natural. This cosmic intelligence is not the anthropomorphic God of monotheistic religions. Instead it is more like the universe as a whole in this quotation by Rupert Sheldrake:


Quote:The possibility that the sun is conscious expands the scope of our thinking. We can move beyond familiar debates about the ‘hard problem’, whose primary concern is to explain the emergence of human minds from smaller and less complex systems, and place this discussion within a literally panpsychist context, where ‘pan’ means ‘all’, and ‘all’ includes stars, solar systems, galaxies, the cosmic web and, ultimately, the universe as a whole.


Is the Sun Conscious? by Rupert Sheldrake
https://www.sheldrake.org/

The problem with this is the problem of how and why is there something rather than nothing. Especially a something constituted of the incredible amounts of ordered functional specified complex information embodied in the physical reality we live in. This huge amount of FSCI exists in many forms, in particular the laws of physics which are fine tuned for the existence of life, life itself, the existence of human beings, and most basic, the existence of mathematics and logic themselves. 

All of this cannot have simply come from nothing. Nothing can come from absolutely nothing. In our entire experience the only way massive amounts of FSCI can come into being (in countless forms such as for instance machines, computers, books such as the plays of Shakespeare, etc. etc.) is through the creative efforts of intelligences or an intelligence.
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Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-10-20, 06:02 PM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-10-26, 06:17 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-10-31, 12:23 PM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-03, 06:37 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-04, 04:33 AM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-05, 05:02 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-06, 04:05 AM
RE: Theodicies - by Sciborg_S_Patel - 2022-11-06, 07:31 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-07, 09:42 AM
RE: Theodicies - by Sciborg_S_Patel - 2022-11-07, 11:07 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-10, 04:53 PM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-20, 04:56 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-22, 02:57 AM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-22, 07:59 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-27, 06:22 AM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-08, 05:56 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-10, 04:54 PM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-11, 05:22 PM
RE: Theodicies - by stephenw - 2022-11-11, 07:55 PM
RE: Theodicies - by stephenw - 2022-10-26, 09:08 PM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-10-27, 09:25 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Sciborg_S_Patel - 2022-10-28, 06:56 PM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-10-30, 05:16 PM
RE: Theodicies - by David001 - 2022-11-01, 11:54 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-02, 12:07 AM
RE: Theodicies - by Typoz - 2022-11-02, 11:11 AM
RE: Theodicies - by David001 - 2022-11-02, 11:32 AM
RE: Theodicies - by David001 - 2022-11-03, 08:18 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Sciborg_S_Patel - 2022-11-07, 01:50 AM
RE: Theodicies - by Typoz - 2022-11-07, 10:19 AM
RE: Theodicies - by Raimo - 2022-11-03, 08:53 PM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-04, 12:18 AM
RE: Theodicies - by Raimo - 2022-11-04, 12:03 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Typoz - 2022-11-09, 10:45 AM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-09, 03:42 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Sciborg_S_Patel - 2022-11-09, 05:06 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-11, 07:46 PM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-11, 10:23 PM
RE: Theodicies - by stephenw - 2022-11-11, 08:12 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-11, 11:23 PM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-12, 01:29 AM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-12, 06:27 AM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-12, 06:00 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-12, 06:13 PM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-11-13, 04:19 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2022-11-13, 09:37 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Sciborg_S_Patel - 2022-11-13, 07:40 PM
RE: Theodicies - by nbtruthman - 2022-12-01, 06:42 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Sciborg_S_Patel - 2022-12-02, 05:11 PM
RE: Theodicies - by Laird - 2024-07-31, 06:40 AM
RE: Do plants have minds? - by Sciborg_S_Patel - 2024-07-30, 04:04 AM
RE: Do plants have minds? - by nbtruthman - 2024-07-09, 07:59 PM
RE: Do plants have minds? - by Sciborg_S_Patel - 2024-07-09, 08:42 PM
RE: Do plants have minds? - by nbtruthman - 2024-07-28, 03:59 PM

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