I ended up stumbling upon this video in Arabic (comes with subtitles) trying to demonstrate the soul as being a myth from 2017:
For the stuff on consciousness and self-awareness skip to around 14:00.
The video is specifically aimed towards debunking claims of Muslims AFAIK, hence why it goes on about stuff most wouldn't really see as relevant. He lists a bunch of resources which he cherry-picks from, which range from some talk from Christof Koch, to a speech Anthony Hopkins gave in the TV series WestWorld asserting that 'consciousness does not exist' as though that somehow strengthens his argument.
He also quotes claims from Sean Carroll (and possibly Steven Novella) in video clips...including one amusingly taken from that Intelligence2 debate with Moody and Alexander IIRC. So of course he doesn't include their clips on what they had to say.
He goes on to make some wild speculative assertion about consciousness which is seemingly unsourced. He just vaguely asserts its 'many processes put together reacting to the environment' and that 'AI and robots would have consciousness', with no supporting sources their either. He just cherry-picks some video from Michio Kaku claiming it may be possible some day. Just the usual 'brain chemistry gets affected by alcohol and drugs that can affect your personality and consciousness' etc. Naturally he does not refute any actual evidence for the 'soul' either anywhere in his video, instead promoting the possibility of delaying death.
He does however reference in this video some conference from 2012 at Cambridge where neurologists announced identifying the 'substrates' for consciousness in animals. The 'declaration' can be read here: http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDe...usness.pdf ...I assume the assertions about substrates are just that and given how this was from 2012 this is largely irrelevant to today.
On the topic of self-awareness though, he makes a point I've seen before that studies have shown how self-awareness develops during childhood with the brain: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...0003000813
He uses this to then claim we aren't born with self-awareness and it is a product from 'the area of the brain that generates it'. I understand that self-awareness is apparently not the same thing as consciousness, but is this relevant to supposedly supporting physicalism/materialism?
Not only that, but he claims that there are robots who have already passed self-recognition tests for self-awareness. He shows an image of the paper but doesn't list it in the links. Skip to 15:00 to see this paper. Since he doesn't seem to link to it AFAIK I have no idea when it's from. But I personally suspect he's grossly exaggerating this study/blowing it out of proportion, which happens to a lot of these studies. Has anyone here heard of this paper before, or even this 'Sherif Aber' guy?
For the stuff on consciousness and self-awareness skip to around 14:00.
The video is specifically aimed towards debunking claims of Muslims AFAIK, hence why it goes on about stuff most wouldn't really see as relevant. He lists a bunch of resources which he cherry-picks from, which range from some talk from Christof Koch, to a speech Anthony Hopkins gave in the TV series WestWorld asserting that 'consciousness does not exist' as though that somehow strengthens his argument.
He also quotes claims from Sean Carroll (and possibly Steven Novella) in video clips...including one amusingly taken from that Intelligence2 debate with Moody and Alexander IIRC. So of course he doesn't include their clips on what they had to say.
He goes on to make some wild speculative assertion about consciousness which is seemingly unsourced. He just vaguely asserts its 'many processes put together reacting to the environment' and that 'AI and robots would have consciousness', with no supporting sources their either. He just cherry-picks some video from Michio Kaku claiming it may be possible some day. Just the usual 'brain chemistry gets affected by alcohol and drugs that can affect your personality and consciousness' etc. Naturally he does not refute any actual evidence for the 'soul' either anywhere in his video, instead promoting the possibility of delaying death.
He does however reference in this video some conference from 2012 at Cambridge where neurologists announced identifying the 'substrates' for consciousness in animals. The 'declaration' can be read here: http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDe...usness.pdf ...I assume the assertions about substrates are just that and given how this was from 2012 this is largely irrelevant to today.
On the topic of self-awareness though, he makes a point I've seen before that studies have shown how self-awareness develops during childhood with the brain: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...0003000813
He uses this to then claim we aren't born with self-awareness and it is a product from 'the area of the brain that generates it'. I understand that self-awareness is apparently not the same thing as consciousness, but is this relevant to supposedly supporting physicalism/materialism?
Not only that, but he claims that there are robots who have already passed self-recognition tests for self-awareness. He shows an image of the paper but doesn't list it in the links. Skip to 15:00 to see this paper. Since he doesn't seem to link to it AFAIK I have no idea when it's from. But I personally suspect he's grossly exaggerating this study/blowing it out of proportion, which happens to a lot of these studies. Has anyone here heard of this paper before, or even this 'Sherif Aber' guy?