Stan said >"I’m not sure what you mean by human perspective Tim. You appear to be saying you as a human living now, could never forgive,..."
Stan, can I gently remind you (you know this of course) that when you're trying to make a particular point (stick), you need to be accurate and precise on what basis you are making that point.
I didn't say I could never forgive as a human being (did I ?)...I said I could never forgive the perpetrators of crimes of the magnitude mentioned. I'm not sure why you are so insistent and concerned for my spiritual welfare ? I assure you, I can forgive a great many things, Stan but I hope you'll forgive me when I say that sadistic monsters who put other human beings in gas ovens and dismember children alive, are not on the list. .
This is why I disagreed with the premise of that quote you supplied.
Stan said >"I’m rather surprised at your opposition to this thinking, having studied NDEs in some depth. Have you found evidence from NDErs that God would not forgive even the most awful acts ?
Studying near death experiences is not the same as understanding the mind of "God" whatever that is, Stan. NDE's provide clues as to the bigger existential picture, but we don't yet have anywhere near a complete picture of what we're doing here and how we should or shouldn't behave (beyond the basic and obvious) indeed if "should" or "shouldn't" are even relevant, do we ?
What about those NDE's that you're so fond of sticking up..the hellish ones? According to many NDE researchers, the type of character you are, seems to bear little or no relation to whether or not you have a hellish experience. That brings us nicely to George Ritchie, the author of the quote above and the theme of unconditional forgiveness you are recommending.
Ritchie's own NDE however, would seem to contradict a general theme of unconditional forgiveness in the next world, as he was (apparently) witness to a journey into (as well as other places) a horrific realm where the disincarnate were perpetrating the most sordid acts upon each other (Hell ?) etc. I know there was a caveat inserted by Ritchie that they could leave this place whenever they wanted but I was never convinced by that, personally.
Lastly, I wish you or anyone on the forum wouldn't assume (if you do assume) that because I post a particular NDE, it means that I am in full agreement with everything that it relates. Not at all. I've just tried to get good content onto the forum to attract visitors.
I would also like to add that I do get a bit pissed off with being repeatedly misunderstood (not by everyone of course) when I take great care not to overstate anything and stick to the facts.
(This post was last modified: 2020-04-24, 12:10 PM by tim.)
Stan, can I gently remind you (you know this of course) that when you're trying to make a particular point (stick), you need to be accurate and precise on what basis you are making that point.
I didn't say I could never forgive as a human being (did I ?)...I said I could never forgive the perpetrators of crimes of the magnitude mentioned. I'm not sure why you are so insistent and concerned for my spiritual welfare ? I assure you, I can forgive a great many things, Stan but I hope you'll forgive me when I say that sadistic monsters who put other human beings in gas ovens and dismember children alive, are not on the list. .
This is why I disagreed with the premise of that quote you supplied.
Stan said >"I’m rather surprised at your opposition to this thinking, having studied NDEs in some depth. Have you found evidence from NDErs that God would not forgive even the most awful acts ?
Studying near death experiences is not the same as understanding the mind of "God" whatever that is, Stan. NDE's provide clues as to the bigger existential picture, but we don't yet have anywhere near a complete picture of what we're doing here and how we should or shouldn't behave (beyond the basic and obvious) indeed if "should" or "shouldn't" are even relevant, do we ?
What about those NDE's that you're so fond of sticking up..the hellish ones? According to many NDE researchers, the type of character you are, seems to bear little or no relation to whether or not you have a hellish experience. That brings us nicely to George Ritchie, the author of the quote above and the theme of unconditional forgiveness you are recommending.
Ritchie's own NDE however, would seem to contradict a general theme of unconditional forgiveness in the next world, as he was (apparently) witness to a journey into (as well as other places) a horrific realm where the disincarnate were perpetrating the most sordid acts upon each other (Hell ?) etc. I know there was a caveat inserted by Ritchie that they could leave this place whenever they wanted but I was never convinced by that, personally.
Lastly, I wish you or anyone on the forum wouldn't assume (if you do assume) that because I post a particular NDE, it means that I am in full agreement with everything that it relates. Not at all. I've just tried to get good content onto the forum to attract visitors.
I would also like to add that I do get a bit pissed off with being repeatedly misunderstood (not by everyone of course) when I take great care not to overstate anything and stick to the facts.
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