The Consciousness Deniers

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Sci,

I actually think we have to think a bit more carefully about this issue:
Quote:A more general version of this question is this: How can one clump of stuff anywhere in the universe be about some other clump of stuff anywhere else in the universe—right next to it or 100 million light-years away?

...Let’s suppose that the Paris neurons are about Paris the same way red octagons are about stopping. This is the first step down a slippery slope, a regress into total confusion. If the Paris neurons are about Paris the same way a red octagon is about stopping, then there has to be something in the brain that interprets the Paris neurons as being about Paris. After all, that’s how the stop sign is about stopping. It gets interpreted by us in a certain way. The difference is that in the case of the Paris neurons, the interpreter can only be another part of the brain...

What we need to get off the regress is some set of neurons that is about some stuff outside the brain without being interpreted—by anyone or anything else (including any other part of the brain)—as being about that stuff outside the brain. What we need is a clump of matter, in this case the Paris neurons, that by the very arrangement of its synapses points at, indicates, singles out, picks out, identifies (and here we just start piling up more and more synonyms for “being about”) another clump of matter outside the brain. But there is no such physical stuff.

The problem is that (by analogy) we can and have built computers that 'know' about Paris (I am sure any materialist would argue this). The problem seems to be that their 'knowing' about Paris is entirely constructed out of our knowing about Paris.
(This post was last modified: 2018-12-05, 11:53 AM by David001.)

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The Consciousness Deniers - by Sciborg_S_Patel - 2018-11-14, 10:26 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by David001 - 2018-12-02, 11:57 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Brian - 2018-12-03, 11:52 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Steve001 - 2018-12-03, 12:01 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Brian - 2018-12-04, 09:24 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Steve001 - 2018-12-04, 12:34 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Steve001 - 2018-12-03, 09:24 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Steve001 - 2018-12-03, 10:37 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Steve001 - 2018-12-04, 03:09 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Brian - 2018-12-04, 09:27 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Mediochre - 2018-12-03, 03:44 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by malf - 2018-12-04, 09:14 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Brian - 2018-12-04, 09:30 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by malf - 2018-12-04, 09:37 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Brian - 2018-12-04, 09:47 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Kamarling - 2018-12-04, 10:04 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Brian - 2018-12-05, 09:29 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Brian - 2018-12-06, 09:31 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by malf - 2018-12-06, 06:50 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Brian - 2018-12-07, 09:25 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Valmar - 2018-12-04, 10:46 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Steve001 - 2018-12-04, 12:31 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by malf - 2018-12-04, 08:09 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Kamarling - 2018-12-04, 09:11 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Steve001 - 2018-12-05, 02:07 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Steve001 - 2018-12-05, 08:31 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Steve001 - 2018-12-06, 12:02 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Steve001 - 2018-12-06, 12:33 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by nbtruthman - 2018-12-07, 03:48 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Kamarling - 2018-12-06, 01:41 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by malf - 2018-12-04, 08:19 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Kamarling - 2018-12-04, 09:29 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by David001 - 2018-12-05, 11:51 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by David001 - 2018-12-05, 08:45 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Kamarling - 2018-12-05, 09:17 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by David001 - 2018-12-06, 12:07 AM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Typoz - 2018-12-05, 02:45 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by malf - 2018-12-05, 05:06 PM
RE: The Consciousness Deniers - by Kamarling - 2018-12-05, 06:27 PM

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