The Good Place

This has turned into a very interesting discussion.

Methodological naturalism refers to events and experiences. As far as I can tell, anything that is "real" corresponds to an event and/or experience (examples of what people think of as exceptions to this would be welcome in case it's a failure of my imagination). Physics is the description of the fundamental 'stuff' producing those phenomena. So by definition, any scientific discoveries which contribute to an understanding of the fundamental nature of events and experiences are physical. There aren't any restrictions put on what "physical" looks like in these definitions. There are restrictions on what "immaterial" looks like, though. 

But I don't think recognizing or agreeing with this is the same as adhering to physicalism/materialism/realism. We have intuitions about what is physical or what is real. When the description of the fundamental 'stuff' producing these phenomena contradicts our intuitions about what is physical or real, do we drop those terms? The suggestion seems to be that only someone with a philosophical commitment to physicalism/materialism/realism would continue to use the terms for descriptions which are nothing like our intuitions. We are already reaching that point with what quantum mechanics is telling us about realism. Yet it still seems to be physics.

The conflict seems to be about whether or not to go with our intuitions and start calling some of this stuff immaterial. I can think of things that would be too weird to call "material" (and if consciousness were fundamental, that would be one of them). But non-immaterialists seem to be like the proverbial frog in the pot of water - the temperature (weirdness) has been introduced gradually, so we haven't noticed that we're already in hot water. We may not be able to notice when it starts to boil. So we'd continue to call things that immaterialists would put under their umbrella, "physical", which would probably be annoying to them. 

Linda

Some notice the hot water. And because we do that allows us to consider and be flexible too include unknown unknowns.
To emphasize the point in bold. Everyone I'm sure everyone knows Quantum theory is known by only two descriptions, they are quantum mechanics or quantum physics. It's physics.