Vaccines

Some bedtime reading for those who are clued up on scientific papers, I am not. I found this via Corbett.com I know it came from infowars but I assume the scientific papers themselves are not fake news. I see some of the ‘infamous’ Andrew Wakefield & co papers published in the Lancet are included. 

https://www.infowars.com/100-compiled-st...e-dangers/

Here is the interesting Corbett podcast:

https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-09...-vaccines/

I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.
https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-t...1#pid21391

Linda

I think most people understood me.  I won't argue with you anymore because you are impossible.  You are on ignore!

Measles is a worldwide issue. Assessing the impact of measles on the US population will give a skewed perspective as the disease is officially eliminated there (thanks to the vaccination, of course). 

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/downloads/me...ideset.pdf


If the measles vaccination was ceased tomorrow, what annual death rate are people comfortable with?

Some bedtime reading for those who are clued up on scientific papers, I am not. I found this via Corbett.com I know it came from infowars but I assume the scientific papers themselves are not fake news. I see some of the ‘infamous’ Andrew Wakefield & co papers published in the Lancet are included. 

https://www.infowars.com/100-compiled-st...e-dangers/

Here is the interesting Corbett podcast:

https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-09...-vaccines/

None of those studies are from this century, most are from the 60s and 70s. Also can’t judge much from the titles only.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_measles

Look at the graph under United States. That represents significant reductions in hospitalisations and deaths.

None of those studies are from this century, most are from the 60s and 70s. Also can’t judge much from the titles only.

Oh well, just ignore them then! 

https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-new...nated-kids

This huge study shows autism rates lower in the vaccinated group.

None of those studies are from this century, most are from the 60s and 70s. Also can’t judge much from the titles only.

I tried to look at some of them. Most are so old that not even the abstracts are available online. Some are mischaracterized (for example, lymphadenitis is not lymphoma or leukaemia). Some are in vitro studies, so clinical relevance has not been established. Some seem to be case reports of something which happened after vaccination - these reports would then prompt a different kind of study in order to find out whether there is a causal relationship, but are unable to establish cause on their own. And changes have been made in the last 50 years, on the basis of this research, to the safety of vaccines, so most of the information is not current enough to be useful.

Anyways, if someone is interested in relevant research on vaccine safety, there are some good resources available. If you click on the link for each vaccine, it takes you to a page which has the current recommendations. If you click on that link, you get a very detailed report on the available research, including the safety research, with references.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/acip-re...index.html

These are detailed descriptions of how safety and adverse reactions are monitored and investigated:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/s...afety.html
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/safety.html
https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/en/

Linda

The simple fact that all these scientific papers were raised should mean something. fls shrugs them away as if they didn’t exist. Real scientists asking real questions about vaccines.

The simple fact that all these scientific papers were raised should mean something. fls shrugs them away as if they didn’t exist. Real scientists asking real questions about vaccines.

Yes, they mean something. Real scientists continuing to ask real questions about vaccines, then and over the next 50 years. A good resource about vaccine safety would include the research which followed up on those preliminary leads - which suggestions turned out to be valid and which did not, what changes were effective (at reducing harm) and which were not, what new issues arose, etc? None of that can be gleaned from that particular list, is all. The links I provided show you what real scientists asking real questions about vaccines found in their research - taking into account the research in the past, but also including research up to the present.

Linda