UFOs: Reframing the Debate

I don't  disagree with anything you've  written. The point i was attempting to convey, is that as soon as one attempts to take a position, any position.  The phenomenon, or whatever it is, displays an uncanny kmack for  providing  you evidence to the contrary.

Absolutely.  And I should add, that I DO feel the ETH has good explanatory power.  Its just that NOTHING has full explanatory power.  I can't say its impossible, however, that there are aliens on another wolrd which wield "paranormal" or supernatural powers and who are visiting us.

I dont think its neat at all, my opinion.  I do think it has substantial explanatory power, but when you consider everything, particularly the abduction scenarios and the similarities between abduction and other paranormal experiences such as NDE's, hauntings, cryptobeast encounters etc, the more I find it lacking.  It would be easy to right those reported experiences off as false, but the more Ive dived into the issue, the more ive found many of these witnesses to be amongst some of the most credible.  The close encounter and and abduction scenarios are off the charts bizarre. Of course, I don't think we currently have a theory with full explanatory power, Im not sure were supposed to or ever will.  To me, its the most bizarre mystery of all time, EASILY.

There are other things with the ETH which I struggle with.  While I realize one should be careful when attempting to understand alien purposes and motives, their behavior seems absolutely absurd.  Take the Zanfretta case, for example.  Lots of corroborating evidence, including several eye witness testimonies.  But listen to the absurdness in the ETs behavior.

More absudity in the link below.   It almost appears as if their behavior is absurd for the simple sake of being absurd.  Vallee contends that this is part of their coverup.  That they are attempting to affect societal change, while trying to with-hold proof of their existence from the mainstream. He contends that part of their coverup is their cloaking themselves in absurdity, so as to be rejected by mainstream.  Curiously enough, I find this behavior to be somewhat similar and in keeping with other paranormal phenomena.  They show themselves, but are particularly adept and determined at with-holding proof.   Check out this case from the old USSR, dozens of witnesses.  It was studied by Vallee.

Yeah, I think the reflective ambiguity of it all is perhaps a very important clue to understanding the phenomena.

So, maybe we've got a few options:

a) Aliens from another galaxy using technological psychic cloaking devices / with advanced PSI abilities.
b) Aliens from another galaxy projecting themselves across space psychically somehow (OBE style, maybe?).
c) Entities/forces from so far outside of our consensus reality that we automatically perceive  them through a cultural cognitive filter.
d) The aliens are manifestations of humanity's collective unconscious in some way.

Let's think about another paranormal experience in the same way: Say 5 reliable people see a vision of the Virgin Mary (or anything, really) hovering in the sky. 

Is it:

a) A technological holographic projection (from Aliens, maybe?).
b) A literal Christian Holy Mary that lives in some heavenly dimension.
c) An entity from so far outside of our consensus reality that it's automatically 'clothed' through the cognitive filters of those witnessing it.
d) A manifestation from the minds of the witnesses / collective of humanity.

In both scenarios I think the technological answer is both the least satisfying and the most cumbersome. I'm not too keen on the simplistic literal Christian Mary either, btw. Anyway, perhaps it's some combination of all the other options.

Here's NDE researcher Dr. Kenneth Ring talking on the similarities between NDEs and abductions (I'm not sure how good the fit is, but it's an interesting angle)......

Where  psi bleeding into the physical world is, 
opening the door to black tide of occult mud

Why occult mud, specifically? Sure, it complicates things, but you can still be careful and systematic in your approach (like in phenomenology, etc.).

The point i was attempting to convey, is that as soon as one attempts to take a position, any position.  The phenomenon, or whatever it is, displays an uncanny kmack for  providing  you evidence to the contrary.

First there is a mountain / then there is no mountain / then there is

Suppose this reality is a simulation being played by conscious minds, and we have chosen our bodies as avatars.  Suppose some other conscious entities are tapping into our virtual realities taking on the forms of aliens, or projecting the forms of aliens (where it used to be fairies etc) in order to achieve some purpose, but still not interfere TOO much.  Maybe some of these conscious entities playing in our "virtual reality" in this way have even lived previous lives here as humans.  These other conscious entities, may or may not be known to us before and or after our incarnations here, or (as I said) maybe have even lived lives as humans before.  That would be consistent with an "inter-dimensional" consciousness.  Just a thought.

Yeah, I think the reflective ambiguity of it all is perhaps a very important clue to understanding the phenomena.

So, maybe we've got a few options:

a) Aliens from another galaxy using technological psychic cloaking devices / with advanced PSI abilities.
b) Aliens from another galaxy projecting themselves across space psychically somehow (OBE style, maybe?).
c) Entities/forces from so far outside of our consensus reality that we automatically perceive  them through a cultural cognitive filter.
d) The aliens are manifestations of humanity's collective unconscious in some way.

Let's think about another paranormal experience in the same way: Say 5 reliable people see a vision of the Virgin Mary (or anything, really) hovering in the sky. 

Is it:

a) A technological holographic projection (from Aliens, maybe?).
b) A literal Christian Holy Mary that lives in some heavenly dimension.
c) An entity from so far outside of our consensus reality that it's automatically 'clothed' through the cognitive filters of those witnessing it.
d) A manifestation from the minds of the witnesses / collective of humanity.

In both scenarios I think the technological answer is both the least satisfying and the most cumbersome. I'm not too keen on the simplistic literal Christian Mary either, btw. Anyway, perhaps it's some combination of all the other options.

Here's NDE researcher Dr. Kenneth Ring talking on the similarities between NDEs and abductions (I'm not sure how good the fit is, but it's an interesting angle)......







Why occult mud, specifically? Sure, it complicates things, but you can still be careful and systematic in your approach (like in phenomenology, etc.).



First there is a mountain / then there is no mountain / then there is

The phrase " the black tide of 
occult mud" was popular  in skeptical literature  about twenty years ago. I intended it to come across as tongue in cheek.( sorry) As far as options are concerned. In my opinion, the phenomenon  is so laden with ambiguity. Slash subjectivity, that the sky is the limit.

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/06/tr...-entities/

I really get a kick out of Terrance Mckenna, mostly in a good way.  You have to control your Mckenna dosage.  But he had a fascinating mind and a great mastery of words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYJqhMAgOcs

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/06/tr...-entities/

I haven't  paid a great deal of attention  to this subject in the last couple of years. Its wonderful to have my faith in the strange restored